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To think that most parents find saying ‘no’ to children very difficult?

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Mumbletoomuch · 06/07/2025 20:41

I’m struggling with the fact my very reasonable friends seem incapable or scared of saying no to their children.

Child wants to eat the last homemade cupcake (second helping) when everyone else has had one? Of course. Just eats the icing off and wastes the rest? Just laughs it off

Child has friends over to play but wants to watch telly for hours straight? Meaning the play date is a TV marathon? Of course

Child wants huge monster slushy at a birthday party, when the hosts have provided squash? Of course. Many other children then start whining at their parents for the same? Of course

Child wants to role play with parent while they’re having a conversation with a friend? Of course. This means the adult conversation is disjointed and pointless, not a problem.

I’ve become self-conscious about how many boundaries and ‘no’ I give to my children, or if it is legitimately annoying and lazy parenting. We go on holidays, we do fun things, I play with them, we watch TV, they eat sweets, but I say no to a lot during the day. I would say no or boundary set in all the above examples.

AIBU?

OP posts:
Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 12:35

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:16

It's really not, sad you can't see this. Imagine if everyone said no to their kids having a cellphone before age 16 and what a different, better world we would create for our children (as one example where people feel they have to follow the pack). But generally you saying no creates a shitty brat that impacts the general enjoyment for everyone else. My DC and I do alot of classes, and have done since they were a baby, every class be has one little shit kid that ruins it for all the other kids, the parents and the teacher - all because the parent never says no.

I will say I fully agree with you on the smart phone thing. Ds is only little but I work with kids who have smart phones at age 5 which is just, in my mind, dangerous. I do think that's something where a cultural shift would benefit our kids in general and it would be amazing if parents were more united in that. But again, that's the reality of the world I'm parenting in. I know I'll probably be a bit later in saying yes to things like sleepovers and smart tech than other parents in ds's class, but those are hills I'm prepared to die on because they are related to his safety. A slushie at a party - not so much (even though I wouldn't allow ds this at his age either). There's something to be said for picking your battles and recognising that other parents are doing the same. I think you can go too far saying no, to the point it becomes meaningless and kids rebel especially older kids or lose confidence in themselves to manage themselves because it's done for them in such a risk adverse way. When I say no I want ds to understand there's a reason and I'm not just saying it constantly.

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:33

Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 12:23

But children are not responsible for the feelings of other people, nor should that responsibility be put on children. Your child's meltdown because they see my child have xyz doesn't mean my child should go without, just as its up to me to manage my child when your kid has xyz and they don't. Life isn't fair so what you're describing is actually holding small children to an overly high account. You're teaching them to ignore their own needs in order to please others when the others might not even care. Same as when they go to the supermarket and see kids on the ride on machines, or eating over priced ice cream at the circus or whatever the situation. Kids are surrounded by that day and daily it's a normal and natural part of life that we need to help them learn to regulate in the midst of.

Obviously this is nuanced and noone should be setting out to deliberately harm others, or be overly selfish in any relationship etc. But you could take that to a crazy extreme in either direction.

It's not my job to limit my child's opportunities be they big or small, incase you then need to help your child manage their emotions around that, nor would I be raising my child to make themselves smaller in order to please others. I don't think that goes any way to fostering resilience but it does promote really unhealthy ideals in relationships and friendships.

Good lord, what a load of bollocks. Your child going with the flow at a kids party or thinking of others occasionally is really not limiting their world experiences or harming them in any way. Where do people come up up with this BS 🤣 🤨

TheNinkyNonkyIsATardis · 07/07/2025 12:31

How often do you see these same parents, and do you know how often they say yes or no?

I say no to my son all the time, but if he has eaten well, it's a hot day and he asked for an ice cream, I wouldn't be thinking "oooh, maybe the other children around might want one too when they've had junk all day and been bratty".

LemondrizzleShark · 07/07/2025 12:28

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:20

Nothing wrong with the child asking, up to the parents to say yes or no..

As a parent it wouldn’t bother me what another parent chooses to buy their child. A birthday party where there are slushies, is very likely a public place where they are sold.

As the party organiser, the kids aren’t going to ask their parents. They are going to clamour around me, and I’m going to be faced with 25 children also wanting an £8 slushy, plus mine feeling hard done by because Violet Beauregard is swanning around with a massive fancy drink.

If your child also wanted a big cake with a candle on it at somebody else’s birthday, would you say “well they sell cakes and candles, so why not?” When you are invited round to somebody’s house for dinner, do you order a takeaway for one to be delivered and sit and eat it by yourself on their sofa while they watch, because you were still a bit peckish after the meal? After all, if Deliveroo exists, why not?

Or would you think that buying extra things that nobody else has at somebody else’s party is rude to the host and crass for the other guests?

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:26

Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 12:23

But children are not responsible for the feelings of other people, nor should that responsibility be put on children. Your child's meltdown because they see my child have xyz doesn't mean my child should go without, just as its up to me to manage my child when your kid has xyz and they don't. Life isn't fair so what you're describing is actually holding small children to an overly high account. You're teaching them to ignore their own needs in order to please others when the others might not even care. Same as when they go to the supermarket and see kids on the ride on machines, or eating over priced ice cream at the circus or whatever the situation. Kids are surrounded by that day and daily it's a normal and natural part of life that we need to help them learn to regulate in the midst of.

Obviously this is nuanced and noone should be setting out to deliberately harm others, or be overly selfish in any relationship etc. But you could take that to a crazy extreme in either direction.

It's not my job to limit my child's opportunities be they big or small, incase you then need to help your child manage their emotions around that, nor would I be raising my child to make themselves smaller in order to please others. I don't think that goes any way to fostering resilience but it does promote really unhealthy ideals in relationships and friendships.

Well said!

SleeplessInWherever · 07/07/2025 12:25

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:10

Because getting a slushie when everyone is having squash (even if you're paying for it) is tacky AF

Tacky 😂😂

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:24

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:17

I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you. My DC literally would not bat an eyelid.

Mine wouldn’t care because he would be too busy eating or playing to worry about what other children are getting.

FizzySherbet · 07/07/2025 12:23

Hodgemollar · 06/07/2025 20:43

Some of these things are really non issues.

Agree.

whats the problem wanting the last cupcake if everyone else has had one? So what if they just lick the icing off?

Lavender14 · 07/07/2025 12:23

Howcloseisburnout · 07/07/2025 11:49

Because all of what you’ve just said is incredibly selfish and you need to teach your child to be able to look at the bigger picture and take into account the the thoughts and feelings of others!

You are the parent OP is finding difficult and I’m inclined to agree 🤦🏼‍♀️

In this example you could maybe see how you treating your child differently may impact the other parents? Yes they can just say no, but if you hadn’t allowed it in the first place they wouldn’t all be needing to then do damage control.

But children are not responsible for the feelings of other people, nor should that responsibility be put on children. Your child's meltdown because they see my child have xyz doesn't mean my child should go without, just as its up to me to manage my child when your kid has xyz and they don't. Life isn't fair so what you're describing is actually holding small children to an overly high account. You're teaching them to ignore their own needs in order to please others when the others might not even care. Same as when they go to the supermarket and see kids on the ride on machines, or eating over priced ice cream at the circus or whatever the situation. Kids are surrounded by that day and daily it's a normal and natural part of life that we need to help them learn to regulate in the midst of.

Obviously this is nuanced and noone should be setting out to deliberately harm others, or be overly selfish in any relationship etc. But you could take that to a crazy extreme in either direction.

It's not my job to limit my child's opportunities be they big or small, incase you then need to help your child manage their emotions around that, nor would I be raising my child to make themselves smaller in order to please others. I don't think that goes any way to fostering resilience but it does promote really unhealthy ideals in relationships and friendships.

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 12:23

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:21

It's not about you though is it? We have to live alongside your spoilt little brat, that's the actual issue.

You’re the nasty one here so good luck with your parenting ✌️

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:22

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:20

Nothing wrong with the child asking, up to the parents to say yes or no..

As a parent it wouldn’t bother me what another parent chooses to buy their child. A birthday party where there are slushies, is very likely a public place where they are sold.

🤯🤦🏼‍♀️

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:21

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 12:19

What on earth are you talking about.
I say no to my kids plenty, about things I care about and rules I put in place.
What I won’t do is enforce your arbitrary rules on my child so that you don’t have to say no or parent yours. It’s not my job to make your rules easier to enforce.

It's not about you though is it? We have to live alongside your spoilt little brat, that's the actual issue.

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:20

LemondrizzleShark · 07/07/2025 12:13

I think if you are a birthday party and are not had birthday child, then no you shouldn’t get your parents to buy you special stuff that nobody else is getting.

If it is a random day in soft play, fill your boots.

Nothing wrong with the child asking, up to the parents to say yes or no..

As a parent it wouldn’t bother me what another parent chooses to buy their child. A birthday party where there are slushies, is very likely a public place where they are sold.

JLou08 · 07/07/2025 12:19

I have no problem saying no. Some of your examples aren't really an issue. If I decide to give my child a slush and other kids are moaning that's on the parents of the other children. I've said no to my child when they've seen other children have a treat they want, they accept the answer and go off to play.

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 12:19

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:16

It's really not, sad you can't see this. Imagine if everyone said no to their kids having a cellphone before age 16 and what a different, better world we would create for our children (as one example where people feel they have to follow the pack). But generally you saying no creates a shitty brat that impacts the general enjoyment for everyone else. My DC and I do alot of classes, and have done since they were a baby, every class be has one little shit kid that ruins it for all the other kids, the parents and the teacher - all because the parent never says no.

What on earth are you talking about.
I say no to my kids plenty, about things I care about and rules I put in place.
What I won’t do is enforce your arbitrary rules on my child so that you don’t have to say no or parent yours. It’s not my job to make your rules easier to enforce.

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:17

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:15

So it’s ok for adults to have whatever drink they like, but not for children to have separate drinks because some may kick off?

I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you. My DC literally would not bat an eyelid.

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:16

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 12:09

It seems all those saying “parents these days can’t say no” actually mean they want other parents to say no so that they can avoid saying no to their own children.

It's really not, sad you can't see this. Imagine if everyone said no to their kids having a cellphone before age 16 and what a different, better world we would create for our children (as one example where people feel they have to follow the pack). But generally you saying no creates a shitty brat that impacts the general enjoyment for everyone else. My DC and I do alot of classes, and have done since they were a baby, every class be has one little shit kid that ruins it for all the other kids, the parents and the teacher - all because the parent never says no.

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:15

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:10

Because getting a slushie when everyone is having squash (even if you're paying for it) is tacky AF

So it’s ok for adults to have whatever drink they like, but not for children to have separate drinks because some may kick off?

LemondrizzleShark · 07/07/2025 12:13

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:06

You can’t really speak for all parents though. Others have already posted this wouldn’t bother them.

Does this mean no parent can give their child anything when they are near other children jic another child kicks off because they want what their child is having?

I think if you are a birthday party and are not had birthday child, then no you shouldn’t get your parents to buy you special stuff that nobody else is getting.

If it is a random day in soft play, fill your boots.

80smonster · 07/07/2025 12:13

I don’t have a problem saying no, or meaning it. Just boring isn’t it?

Isitreallysohard · 07/07/2025 12:10

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 11:33

What’s wrong with a child having another cupcake after it’s been left over after everyone already had one?
Why is a parent not allowed to buy their child a slushie because other children are having squash?
If I’m at a kids party I’ll usually buy a coffee or a beer if it’s in a function room, why would I not let my child pick they drink they want at a party when it’s at my cost?
It’s rules for the sake of rules and being arbitrarily hardline isn’t necessarily better.

Edited

Because getting a slushie when everyone is having squash (even if you're paying for it) is tacky AF

SleeplessInWherever · 07/07/2025 12:09

languedoc1 · 07/07/2025 12:07

I would very much like to see an example of the 'children professionals' who say you must always praise children and never say negative things?

I'm going through some training at the moment and this is what we are being told. This is coming from the government, believe it or not.

I think it’s likely you’re being told to label the behaviour and not the child. I trained as a teacher 15 years ago and we were being taught that then.

Children aren’t naughty, their behaviour can involve making the wrong choice, hitting is unkind. Use we instead of you. Etc.

Hodgemollar · 07/07/2025 12:09

It seems all those saying “parents these days can’t say no” actually mean they want other parents to say no so that they can avoid saying no to their own children.

languedoc1 · 07/07/2025 12:07

I would very much like to see an example of the 'children professionals' who say you must always praise children and never say negative things?

I'm going through some training at the moment and this is what we are being told. This is coming from the government, believe it or not.

phoenixrosehere · 07/07/2025 12:06

Howcloseisburnout · 07/07/2025 11:49

Because all of what you’ve just said is incredibly selfish and you need to teach your child to be able to look at the bigger picture and take into account the the thoughts and feelings of others!

You are the parent OP is finding difficult and I’m inclined to agree 🤦🏼‍♀️

In this example you could maybe see how you treating your child differently may impact the other parents? Yes they can just say no, but if you hadn’t allowed it in the first place they wouldn’t all be needing to then do damage control.

You can’t really speak for all parents though. Others have already posted this wouldn’t bother them.

Does this mean no parent can give their child anything when they are near other children jic another child kicks off because they want what their child is having?