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... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

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ohime · 06/07/2025 11:04

Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

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Brunettesmorefun · 05/09/2025 23:27

There was a Labour MP speaking on TV this evening and it was so shocking. Running down the Labour Party, how depressed he is, how energetic and positive Reform are and how they will probably win the next election. He sounded completely defeated. It does make me worry about the future.

Namitynamename · 10/07/2025 20:44

I feel like dooming about things is an ancient British past time

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StandFirm · 10/07/2025 16:39

Indeed! Can we stop bigging up Reform at every turn? It'll end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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StandFirm · 10/07/2025 16:39

beguilingeyes · 09/07/2025 11:56

The worrying thing about this for me is that it's as though the media want Farage in No.10 because he's the visual equivalent of clickbait. Hence the endless QT appearances. Ir was the same with Johnson and also Trump. They're entertainment rather than boring politicians so they're endlessly promoted and rarely challenged.

Indeed! Can we stop bigging up Reform at every turn? It'll end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy.

StandFirm · 10/07/2025 16:35

dontcryformeargentina · 09/07/2025 09:03

I agree with this statement. If nothing changes, there will be civil war in the UK as per professor David Betz..

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David Betz is notoriously pro authoritarian. I have seen that interview. The man has also praised Victor Orban. There's a clear nationalist bias here.

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 14:56

Quirkswork · 09/07/2025 14:28

Tbf while @Alexandra2001 is seldom right in what she says (in my opinion only, of course), I have never noticed her to be rude.

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I'm always right, in my opinion of course! lol!

But i appreciate your post Wine

Quirkswork · 09/07/2025 14:28

MorningLarkEchoes · 09/07/2025 14:26

A bit like some of Alexandra’s posts then.

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Tbf while @Alexandra2001 is seldom right in what she says (in my opinion only, of course), I have never noticed her to be rude.

BIossomtoes · 09/07/2025 14:28

MorningLarkEchoes · 09/07/2025 14:26

A bit like some of Alexandra’s posts then.

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Report them if that’s what you think.

MorningLarkEchoes · 09/07/2025 14:26

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 14:22

Your post was quite patronising and rude.

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A bit like some of Alexandra’s posts then.

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 14:22

MorningLarkEchoes · 09/07/2025 14:22

Not sure why my post was deleted 🤷‍♀️ Like I said. I found it perfectly easy to understand what the other poster meant in their post.

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Your post was quite patronising and rude.

MorningLarkEchoes · 09/07/2025 14:22

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 13:19

No you didn't hence your equally stupid post

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Not sure why my post was deleted 🤷‍♀️ Like I said. I found it perfectly easy to understand what the other poster meant in their post.

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 13:19

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No you didn't hence your equally stupid post

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Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 12:33

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:52

Ah ok, I do hear you.
maybe this is an issue with recruitment / management in your daughter’s department? I can’t say it’s the case for every service or NHS trust. We have quite good cover in my team. I don’t know what service line she works for, is she in nursing?

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Community Neuro, acquired brain injury.

They've been allowed to recruit more FT staff, which has taken waiting lists from 22 weeks to just 4 weeks, these are averages, still too long as its supposed to be 24hrs but a huge improvement and down to more budget or as some would say "throwing money at the NHS"

Its not so much cover, its continuity of care, hand-over time, more back office time needed in HR, Pay roll, training - all extra costs.

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 11:58

beguilingeyes · 09/07/2025 11:56

The worrying thing about this for me is that it's as though the media want Farage in No.10 because he's the visual equivalent of clickbait. Hence the endless QT appearances. Ir was the same with Johnson and also Trump. They're entertainment rather than boring politicians so they're endlessly promoted and rarely challenged.

Nailed it.

And that’s the era that we are living in. It’s personality politics.

beguilingeyes · 09/07/2025 11:56

The worrying thing about this for me is that it's as though the media want Farage in No.10 because he's the visual equivalent of clickbait. Hence the endless QT appearances. Ir was the same with Johnson and also Trump. They're entertainment rather than boring politicians so they're endlessly promoted and rarely challenged.

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:52

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 09:20

In my DD dept, 2/3rd of the med staff are PT, large costs to the NHS and disruptive patient care.

All organisations face the issues you state, i'd argue that if you had more FT, you'd reduce the stress.

It comes down to providing the support for staff to work FT, your 32 hours is pretty much FT, i'm talking about people who do 2 or 3 days per week.

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Ah ok, I do hear you.
maybe this is an issue with recruitment / management in your daughter’s department? I can’t say it’s the case for every service or NHS trust. We have quite good cover in my team. I don’t know what service line she works for, is she in nursing?

EasternStandard · 09/07/2025 09:22

Distress is another way to look at voting. It’s an indication of what the public are unhappy about.

It’s not just here similar patterns are happening in the EU.

It’s just a clash of laws and public wants.

Without change the voices get louder, hence Reform or EU equivalent. We are a pretty well behaved bunch we do it with voting.

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 09:20

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:15

I disagree with reducing PT work. Have you ever worked in the NHS? It’s a very stressful environment, and with the job I do, it’s very taxing to do it FT, so I currently work 32 hours a week.
A lot of people are navigating families, caring responsibilities and underlying health conditions or disabilities outside of work as well, so I don’t think that’s the answer. Flexible working should be a right.

I hear what you’re saying in that it could come across as punitive, but I think it’s only fair. I have a student loan from my first degree - I am over 10 years into paying it, but nowhere near paying it off. It’s a small amount that is deducted from my salary each month and I’ve just come to accept it. With a GP’s wage after qualifying - they would be in the same boat, and it’s relative.

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In my DD dept, 2/3rd of the med staff are PT, large costs to the NHS and disruptive patient care.

All organisations face the issues you state, i'd argue that if you had more FT, you'd reduce the stress.

It comes down to providing the support for staff to work FT, your 32 hours is pretty much FT, i'm talking about people who do 2 or 3 days per week.

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:20

Unsure about full blown civil war though tbh. When was the last civil war in the UK?!

There will likely be political unrest and further division but I think civil war might be a stretch.

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:18

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 09:16

Jeeeez IMF, Civil war... now Public distress!

Even Reform can't even get 30% in the polls, despite a highly unpopular government and the Tories in disarray.

Brexit was a lesson in how to con the public into getting a fat oaf into power via stirring up non existent concerns..... had Bojo decided to support Remain, Leave would have lost, thats how "distressed" he public was....

In 2012, EU membership didn't even figure in the UK publics top 10 concerns.

How many MPs did UKip have in 2010?

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I think it was stirring by politicians… (Brexit)…

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 09:16

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:06

Yes, I agree. The British public is certainly in distress, and we are in a cyclical environment of abuse. It doesn’t matter what party it is in power.

I don’t really know how we can change it though. I often wonder why more decisions aren’t put to public vote, why is it just for a minority of people in the House of Commons - it’s not representative

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Jeeeez IMF, Civil war... now Public distress!

Even Reform can't even get 30% in the polls, despite a highly unpopular government and the Tories in disarray.

Brexit was a lesson in how to con the public into getting a fat oaf into power via stirring up non existent concerns..... had Bojo decided to support Remain, Leave would have lost, thats how "distressed" he public was....

In 2012, EU membership didn't even figure in the UK publics top 10 concerns.

How many MPs did UKip have in 2010?

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:15

Alexandra2001 · 09/07/2025 09:06

Well, lets make it a 3 tier system then?

£27k in tuition fees plus living loan, 45k is a min unless parental support - a Doctor with a far longer training period, will rack up more debt, a lot more.

If there is no bottomless pit, then how would we pay for the billions required to pay for HCP tuition fees?

Higher wages, mean - generally speaking - less in work benefits, more taxes paid, happier workforce, better retention.... bribing people to stay, on the other hand, just makes people miserable, counting down the days until they can leave.... then there is the cost to the tax payer.

If i could pull one lever for the NHS, it would be to reduce PT work - a lot of waste with patient handovers and admin for all these extra workers.

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I disagree with reducing PT work. Have you ever worked in the NHS? It’s a very stressful environment, and with the job I do, it’s very taxing to do it FT, so I currently work 32 hours a week.
A lot of people are navigating families, caring responsibilities and underlying health conditions or disabilities outside of work as well, so I don’t think that’s the answer. Flexible working should be a right.

I hear what you’re saying in that it could come across as punitive, but I think it’s only fair. I have a student loan from my first degree - I am over 10 years into paying it, but nowhere near paying it off. It’s a small amount that is deducted from my salary each month and I’ve just come to accept it. With a GP’s wage after qualifying - they would be in the same boat, and it’s relative.

EasternStandard · 09/07/2025 09:10

PeonyPatch · 09/07/2025 09:06

Yes, I agree. The British public is certainly in distress, and we are in a cyclical environment of abuse. It doesn’t matter what party it is in power.

I don’t really know how we can change it though. I often wonder why more decisions aren’t put to public vote, why is it just for a minority of people in the House of Commons - it’s not representative

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The distress votes in pp is an good way to look at it. Brexit a hear some of us, it was close still of course and the leave campaign much more effective.

Reform is similar.