... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

This is the second time you've posted that people in your area are happy with their Reform council, but you're yet to give any detail of what it is they're happy with. What positive steps have Reform taken in your area?

I'm interested because I also live under a Reform-run council and I can assure you they've done sweet FA here. In fact they've cancelled more meetings and committees than they've attended, and afaics have made precisely zero actual decisions, good or bad. Mainly because they clearly don't have the first fucking clue how local govt works, or what they actually have control over / responsibility for. They shout terribly loudly but the reality is, they're utterly clueless.

NF (never were initials more appropriate) is a snake-oil-peddling grifter. He's not interested in anyone except himself. He couldn't give two of the tiniest shits about 'working people' - good ol' pint-quaffing Nige wouldn't piss on your average brickie, care worker or shelf-stacker if they were on fire. He doesn't give a fuck about 'ordinary people's concerns' - if he did he'd visit his own constituency once in a while but he's been conspicuous by his absence for the last 12 months.

He's nothing but an scapegoating opportunist on the make. Sadly, a lot of people are too dim to see past the vomit-inducing 'man of the people' / 'stop the boats' schtick. And his supporters can moan about patronising lefties all they like, but it's a fact. He and his cronies have no plans except to enrich themselves and if you can't see that well, God save you. Because Farage certainly bloody won't.

Another post quoting lots of figures without any sources.
I mean I could post on here that 92% of reform voters have two heads and purple spots. Doesn't make it true...

I suspect not, seeing much of what is happening in this country.
Have you never come across someone expressing their views with a little feeling before?

I really, really couldn't give a fuck what Reform voters think anymore, and I'm sick and tired of watching the country go down the pan because we have to keep pandering to their inane obsessions.

You 'won' in 2016, didn't you? And yet you're never fucking happy. You never will be. So yeah, I do think you're thick if you think Farage or Reform are the country's salvation. Carry on whining about the nasty rude people like me by all means. I genuinely couldn't care less.

Around 75% of asylum claims are granted. Fast tracking is basically another name for an amnesty. Come and your claim will most likely be accepted. It gets the people in the waiting list down but doesn’t reduce the pull factor. That’s why the numbers are increasing even further. Net results is that more people come over, claims are accepted at faster rate and the Ponzi scheme becomes bigger and bigger. It’s basically an open door at this point.

It’s beyond a farce. And people can see it.

Are you ok?

I really, really couldn't give a fuck what Reform voters think anymore, and I'm sick and tired of watching the country go down the pan because we have to keep pandering to their inane obsessions.

You 'won' in 2016, didn't you? And yet you're never fucking happy. You never will be. So yeah, I do think you're thick if you think Farage or Reform are the country's salvation. Carry on whining about the nasty rude people like me by all means. I genuinely couldn't care less.

They don't get sent back though.. there's always ECHR bullshit. Once they're here they're here for the duration and a massive drain on public finances.

Its not only the numbers of people coming to the shores of the UK by boats, though i agree that needs reducing for the good of all involved. Its also how those are processed when they get here. If (as per the Tories) they are just put in hotels and their asylum claim lost in a black hole for years then all those new arrivals.might as well be permanent. If Labour manage to sort out the mess and claims and appeals are processed adequately (say within a year) and the people with no right to asylum are then sent back that means the overall number staying is less. Think 100 people arrive and 100 stay versus 120 people arrive and 60 are sent back.
The problem is, inevitably, processing people's asylum requests means some will have the right to stay. So processing claims faster means those numbers "appear" in immigration stats rather than being hidden for years in hotels. Even if the majority of claims are rejected and turned down thats more grist to the mill (75% of asylum seekers are lying! Finally government admits the TRUTH). People arriving in July with no rights to remain may well only be deported next year. So even though that's much faster than before they are still here now creating a record year. And people being officially allowed to stay will also infuriate the right, even if overall the numbers of people staying goes down.

I just can't think of anything Labour can do on immigration that would make you happy.

You can speak for yourself, not the 'general public'.
I am part of the general public as are my family and friends. We certainly don't share your views.
And neither did the majority of the electorate at the last GE.

Here we go. Some more insults for Reform voters. Calling them stupid and dim.

How did that approach work out for you during Brexit referendum?

Its not only the numbers of people coming to the shores of the UK by boats, though i agree that needs reducing for the good of all involved. Its also how those are processed when they get here. If (as per the Tories) they are just put in hotels and their asylum claim lost in a black hole for years then all those new arrivals.might as well be permanent. If Labour manage to sort out the mess and claims and appeals are processed adequately (say within a year) and the people with no right to asylum are then sent back that means the overall number staying is less. Think 100 people arrive and 100 stay versus 120 people arrive and 60 are sent back.
The problem is, inevitably, processing people's asylum requests means some will have the right to stay. So processing claims faster means those numbers "appear" in immigration stats rather than being hidden for years in hotels. Even if the majority of claims are rejected and turned down thats more grist to the mill (75% of asylum seekers are lying! Finally government admits the TRUTH). People arriving in July with no rights to remain may well only be deported next year. So even though that's much faster than before they are still here now creating a record year. And people being officially allowed to stay will also infuriate the right, even if overall the numbers of people staying goes down.

I just can't think of anything Labour can do on immigration that would make you happy.

Here we go. Some more insults for Reform voters. Calling them stupid and dim.

How did that approach work out for you during Brexit referendum?

Its not only the numbers of people coming to the shores of the UK by boats, though i agree that needs reducing for the good of all involved. Its also how those are processed when they get here. If (as per the Tories) they are just put in hotels and their asylum claim lost in a black hole for years then all those new arrivals.might as well be permanent. If Labour manage to sort out the mess and claims and appeals are processed adequately (say within a year) and the people with no right to asylum are then sent back that means the overall number staying is less. Think 100 people arrive and 100 stay versus 120 people arrive and 60 are sent back.
The problem is, inevitably, processing people's asylum requests means some will have the right to stay. So processing claims faster means those numbers "appear" in immigration stats rather than being hidden for years in hotels. Even if the majority of claims are rejected and turned down thats more grist to the mill (75% of asylum seekers are lying! Finally government admits the TRUTH). People arriving in July with no rights to remain may well only be deported next year. So even though that's much faster than before they are still here now creating a record year. And people being officially allowed to stay will also infuriate the right, even if overall the numbers of people staying goes down.

I just can't think of anything Labour can do on immigration that would make you happy.

You can speak for yourself, not the 'general public'.
I am part of the general public as are my family and friends. We certainly don't share your views.
And neither did the majority of the electorate at the last GE.

Now for some facts to counter the propaganda.

2025 will be a record a year for illegal immigration in the UK.

Or maybe voters look at facts, numbers.

You know like small boats surpassing all previous records so far this year.

You can feel good about the ‘ethical’ ways. General public cares about the reality or numbers.

This is the second time you've posted that people in your area are happy with their Reform council, but you're yet to give any detail of what it is they're happy with. What positive steps have Reform taken in your area?

I'm interested because I also live under a Reform-run council and I can assure you they've done sweet FA here. In fact they've cancelled more meetings and committees than they've attended, and afaics have made precisely zero actual decisions, good or bad. Mainly because they clearly don't have the first fucking clue how local govt works, or what they actually have control over / responsibility for. They shout terribly loudly but the reality is, they're utterly clueless.

NF (never were initials more appropriate) is a snake-oil-peddling grifter. He's not interested in anyone except himself. He couldn't give two of the tiniest shits about 'working people' - good ol' pint-quaffing Nige wouldn't piss on your average brickie, care worker or shelf-stacker if they were on fire. He doesn't give a fuck about 'ordinary people's concerns' - if he did he'd visit his own constituency once in a while but he's been conspicuous by his absence for the last 12 months.

He's nothing but an scapegoating opportunist on the make. Sadly, a lot of people are too dim to see past the vomit-inducing 'man of the people' / 'stop the boats' schtick. And his supporters can moan about patronising lefties all they like, but it's a fact. He and his cronies have no plans except to enrich themselves and if you can't see that well, God save you. Because Farage certainly bloody won't.

The reform voters only recognise someone is dealing with immigration if they make a show of mistreating immigrants and making a song and dance of it.
Dealing with it quietly at source, the criminal gangs etc, and looking for ethical ways to do so doesn't satisfy their lust for scenes like the ICE raids in America.

I'm really sick and tired of being told that people 'aren't being listened to,' and feel ignored. All we bloody hear about is immigration and how well Reform are doing. Labour have ruled out negotiating to rejoin the Customs Union and restating freedom of movement even though so many (a majority according to some data) want those things and they would be better for the country, especially the former in terms of food prices. All because we have to endlessly show we are listening to people who are misinformed/stupid/racist/xenophobic/unrealistic/want the world and don't want to pay for it. The fact is, they won the referendum, then they voted twathead in to 'get it done,' now they aren't happy because those things, on the back of years of austerity, and Covid, of course, have totally fucked the country and made their lives worse not better, and they are still looking to blame immigrants and whining about not being listened to.

Politicians have listened but seem afraid to tell people the truth - that their issues are not caused by immigration and if they want an NHS and excellent public services they are going to have to pay for it.

NF is the most dishonest person ever and he is never shown up for who he is by the media. He markets himself as a man of the people but is from a highly privileged background but that is neve mentioned. Starmer was mocked horribly for talking about his genuine working class roots and dad being a toolmaker and people are constantly claiming he really owned the factory and was rich and that his school was private, even though it was state when he joined. Look at the life his brother had - hardly someone from a privileged background. Do people ever mention the totally fake facade NF puts on? Of course not, and people fall for it and go around believing he cares more about 'ordinary people' more than Starmer does. What a joke.

Luckily, I doubt he'll be PM as, aside from being clever enough to know his own limitations, the chances of Reform getting together over 300 MPs who would stand up to any sort of scrutiny is vanishingly small.

Lots of people where I live are really pleased with the decisions our new Reform led Council are making. They have made some really good decisions & acted quickly. I’m as surprised as anyone by how well they are doing (very early days obviously!)

I'm really sick and tired of being told that people 'aren't being listened to,' and feel ignored. All we bloody hear about is immigration and how well Reform are doing. Labour have ruled out negotiating to rejoin the Customs Union and restating freedom of movement even though so many (a majority according to some data) want those things and they would be better for the country, especially the former in terms of food prices. All because we have to endlessly show we are listening to people who are misinformed/stupid/racist/xenophobic/unrealistic/want the world and don't want to pay for it. The fact is, they won the referendum, then they voted twathead in to 'get it done,' now they aren't happy because those things, on the back of years of austerity, and Covid, of course, have totally fucked the country and made their lives worse not better, and they are still looking to blame immigrants and whining about not being listened to.

Politicians have listened but seem afraid to tell people the truth - that their issues are not caused by immigration and if they want an NHS and excellent public services they are going to have to pay for it.

NF is the most dishonest person ever and he is never shown up for who he is by the media. He markets himself as a man of the people but is from a highly privileged background but that is neve mentioned. Starmer was mocked horribly for talking about his genuine working class roots and dad being a toolmaker and people are constantly claiming he really owned the factory and was rich and that his school was private, even though it was state when he joined. Look at the life his brother had - hardly someone from a privileged background. Do people ever mention the totally fake facade NF puts on? Of course not, and people fall for it and go around believing he cares more about 'ordinary people' more than Starmer does. What a joke.

Luckily, I doubt he'll be PM as, aside from being clever enough to know his own limitations, the chances of Reform getting together over 300 MPs who would stand up to any sort of scrutiny is vanishingly small.