... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

Points? Yes, your points upthread indeed. Incoherent, hysterical abusive rant. Explains a lot to be honest.

The Democrats certainly shone with evil speak yesterday on the subject of floods and lives lost in Texas.
Yes, they were really pleased it happened in a red state, because it proves to those doubters that there is climate change.
Nastiness is not exclusive to left, right or the middle.

Honestly, it's your own time you're wasting with the pass-agg responses. It is fascinating how you're consistently failing to engage with any of the other posters' points, though.

Do you genuinely believe that some current Labour MPs couldn't spell their own name? I mean, is that an actual argument you're advancing there? It seems...unlikely.

People will be voting "extreme right wing parties" because they hold extreme right wing views. Come on, lets call spade a spade. They will be voting fascists because they are fascist, why all this pretence they are forced to do it by whatever?

I very much doubt he'll ever be PM. But there is a chance we'll have a Conservative-Reform coalition. I hope so anyway. Mainstream politicians have made it perfectly clear they are not going to do anything about immigration. Well if they're not going to listen, I'll try Reform. Everywhere I look in my home town I see groups of young immigrant men wandering around. My local woods have been cut down to make way for two massive new estates, a second massive estate has been built at the other end of the village, and now the fields in the centre of the village are being built on as well. I would say that well over half the people who've moved onto those new estates weren't born in the UK. The traffic is so awful many parts of town are no-go areas at certain times of the week.

There is a university near me, and it's open knowledge that students are exploiting the visa system. I have a friend whose son in law works for a university admission department. He says he's raised this problem with the authorities and been told not to make waves (i.e shut your mouth). I want a government that not only tightens the borders but deports illegal immigrants, especially those who break the law. It just shows what a strangehold the left have over this debate that we even need to discuss it. If I entered Australia illegally, I would expect to be deported. And if I broke the law, I would definitely expect to be deported. Christ, I have even seen someone who called for a foreign rapist to be deported described as 'right-wing'! That's how insane some people truly are.

And this pressure on Europe's borders is never going to end. People bang on about declining birth rates, but the world's population is still rising. Africa's birth rate is the highest in the world, and the African population is going to double. I quite like Kemi Badenoch, and wouldn't mind her as PM in a coalition with Reform. If Labour win at the next election I shudder to think what will happen.

Oh come on, I hear it time and time again - "no, dont call people stupid, it will hurt their fe-feels and they will be stomping their feet and voting fascists and it will be your fault!" - well, I dont give a fuck about their feeling, because Brexit is massively stupid, it hurt the country and anyone who is not prepared to accept it is a complete idiot. As anyone who thinks Farage is a valid answer to whatever issues they are having with the current/ past government.

Couldn’t agree more. Sick of being told how thick we are, the whole point of democracy is the majority vote wins - except those like OP who think they know better want it their own way 🤷‍♀️

Awww, you really aren’t in a good place are you. Hopefully, you’ll feel better soon.

🤣

What don’t think of the calibre of Labour MPs. Most of them would struggle to spell their own name.

If people think Labour's 'magic money tree' is a worry, they need to examine Reform's plans very closely. They aren't going to save the economy, their plans are either uncosted, or pie in the sky and would require a money tree many times larger than that of the current government.

People

If you mean you think that, say you think that.

This weird "people are saying" rather than I think is very disingenuous. And hard to counteract because is someone says "that's silly" you can counteract with "going around calling people silly are you? No wonder people are voting for reform of what they think is dismissed as silly". And means the only evidence you need to provide is evidence of people saying something, not that what they are saying is true

The fact that you can’t get your head around it and understand people’s opposition to illegal migration or support for Reform points to a deficiency in your own critical thinking. So rather than rail against ‘thick’ people as you like to call them, perhaps take a look in the mirror.

There is zero chance of Farage being out next PM. His tiny cohort of MPs is already diminishing due to dodgy dealings. He's got two councils where teenagers are in charge of Adult and Child Social Services - can you imagine the inappropriateness of that? The calibre of Reform candidates in the last election was piss poor, basically if they offered to stand they got the nod. My Reform regional mayor is an ex Olympic boxer with zero experience of anything other than hitting other men. The scales will fall from the eyes of the rabid right-wingers and poor people. Farage is a man who looks after himself, voted to leave the EU while living abroad with his German wife and children.

😂better to read the Guardian than lick the screen when Rees-Mogg is on GBNews, I'd say.

Well. it could happen. The mere thought of it sends me out of my mind with terror, which I know is not a constructive state of mind if one wishes to find the best ways to combat the danger.

There are 4 more years to the election, and a lot could happen before then. I do think we need to try and learn more from countries like Canada and Australia, where right-wing parties were recently defeated.

It wasn't 'the left' setting fire to hotels and putting shop windows in last summer, was it? It wasn't the left who had to admit to spreading misinformation about the Southport incident that incited the riots, was it? But yeah, lefty 'hysterical shrieking' is a real issue, of course.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/nigel-farage-admits-getting-caught-up-in-andrew-tates-misinformation-following-s/ (source)

The penny has finally dropped with the Tories on immigration but Labour will always believe in open borders.

There's finally a consensus on sorting out immigration and we're lumbered with arch globalist Starmer for 5 years.

Are you able to respond to the points raised?
If you have different opinions why not engage in a discussion?
Or is that too left and guardian.

I know.
The logic of basically saying 'I'm not very clever so I don't want clever people in power, because I don't understand what they're saying. I want thick people, like me, in power '.

I'm not stupid, but I have dedicated my working life to my own field, not politics, or economics, or international law.

Does that mean I feel patronised if people who know about those things talk about them? Of course not, I might read up on it if it's an issue I care about. I would certainly critique what is said and look it up and find out more if I was sceptical. Imagine saying 'I don't really understand this important issue so I will vote for people who ignore it, as those who address it are patronising me.'

I honestly can't get my head around the logic (or lack of it). I come from an utterly working class background, but now have a well paid professional job, so I understand that I am not currently dealing with the issues that affect people who are facing particular hardships. I very lucky, but have many family members and friends who are more impacted.

My manual labourer and factory worker grandparents, aunts and uncles, admin assistant mum, dad who worked in construction industry (not a business owner or anything like that, I know that's quite well paid these days) were all politically aware. They read about the issues, they tried to understand them, discuss them. They knew it was important to. I can't imagine any of them wanting to only vote for a party that didn't talk about important issues because they didn't understand them. They wanted to understand and ensure their vote made an impact on our lives.

When did working class people begin to identify as thick and feel patronised by anyone trying to engage with them about complex but important political issues?

And what is the fucking obsession with 'boat people'... I can honestly say neither my life, that of my very working class parents (who live by a bloody beach) or anyone I know has ever been negatively affected by an immigrant.

I think you are being gullible as fuck having your attention held on this and not the issues that will genuinely make a big difference to your own lives.

Bingo, every soundbite and guardian anecdote regurgitated in one post. Well done.

But yeah, the country is going down the pan.

Yes, I have noticed this, the left shrieking and swearing, calling posters bad names, bots, only left wing voters seem to do that and the constant questioning about your vote if it's not Labour.

Did anyone really think Labour were going to be any good? The Tories were just done and they won by default. There was no enthusiasm for Starmer and his rabble.

In 4 years Reform will win by default because Labour won't deal with immigration and won't get the economy in better shape.

Ah, passive aggressive head tilt time, is it? Better than calling people thick, I suppose, huh?

No, I'm not ok, since you ask. I'm sad and angry about what has happened to the tolerant, patient, welcoming, creative, outward-looking country I grew up in. We've become insular, isolationist and frightened. Our public services have been decimated. Everyone's poorer and less optimistic. And the populists are on the rise, promising everything, delivering nothing, offering mindlessly simplistic solutions to complex problems. Critical thinking is non-existent, we're a country of three-word slogans and convenient scapegoats. I'm tired and frustrated and worried about the direction the country, not to mention the world, is taking.

But, you know, immigrants.

Starmer and his attorney general are literally the biggest proponents of open borders in this country.

They may now pretend to have changed their stripes. But for decades before entering politics and even until taking over Labour leadership Starmer was pro open borders and said that immigration controls are racist.

His legal eagle in chief essentially believes that immigration should have no controls and spent most of his career milking the legal aid system fighting the good fight for unsavoury characters.

The Tories said one thing and did another. Labour are doing exactly what they said and believe in - increasing illegal immigration. The numbers speak for themselves.