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... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

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ohime · 06/07/2025 11:04

Or, more accurately: AIBU to be afraid that truly nasty piece of work Nigel Farage who has, by all accounts, always been utterly useless at (or at least completely uninterested in) the actual business end of governing will be our next PM because everyone is so fed up with all the other parties being, variously or all at once, so corrupt, incompetent and useless that we've collectively abandoned all hope? I will never vote for Farage, who is a horrible man, or any of his party which keeps having to fire people for being just a teensy bit too overtly racist - but it seems from the polls that for many people the choice against the status quo outweighs what we may be choosing. (For an example, I can't believe that Farage's stated position that DOGE in the US didn't go far enough with its swinging cuts to the social safety net would be popular with UK voters who recently elected a government on the basis that it would reverse years of Tory austerity... not that that's worked out so well...)

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Julen7 · 06/07/2025 16:27

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 16:25

@CleverButScattyit’s easy to find the recent stats, it’s all available.

Yeah honestly…no brain power whatsoever required. All there,

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 16:26

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:19

So no, you are not able to do that.
Ok.

You and your family will be very affected by their policies in these areas of elected.
Surely you need to know how their policies will affect your child at school if the behaviour around them is awful, your mum on a waiting list for a hip replacement, your job security, whether your rent or mortgage payment will be affected, your pension in retirement.

I don’t think we know what Labour’s policies are on all this do we?

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 16:25

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:07

Ok. I mean that does indicate you are making the up as you go along.

@CleverButScattyit’s easy to find the recent stats, it’s all available.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 16:22

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:07

Ok. I mean that does indicate you are making the up as you go along.

No it indicates that either you are not abreast of the subject matter you seem so keen to argue about or you don’t know how to use the Google search function.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:19

KarmaKameelion · 06/07/2025 16:00

On the flip side - it has taken the rise of reform for labour to even talk about the migrant crisis. The left are constantly sneering and calling anyone racist who even dares to bring up the topic.

So no, you are not able to do that.
Ok.

You and your family will be very affected by their policies in these areas of elected.
Surely you need to know how their policies will affect your child at school if the behaviour around them is awful, your mum on a waiting list for a hip replacement, your job security, whether your rent or mortgage payment will be affected, your pension in retirement.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 16:18

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:58

Do you realise that if elected, reform will have to deal with all of the complex issues involved with running a country as well as the immigration issue.

Can I ask a genuine question? Have you looked at their other policies and thought your life would be better and your family more secure with them? Could you tell me about this?

Do you have views on
The NHS
State education
The UK getting involved in a way in the middle east
The economy?

I am genuinely asking you to share them

Since you are ‘genuinely’ asking. I will genuinely try.

I don’t think Reform will be able to get done what the country needs. But that’s not the point.

We have had 28 years of rot that started in 1997 with nu Labour. And it so deep seated, that it will take a shock of gargantuan proportions for something to change within the political establishment.

Blair and Brown were wrong on just about everything. They inherited a strong economy from Major and Clarke at one of the most politically stable periods in global history. And pissed it up the wall. None of their decisions stood the test of time.
Creating a bloated welfare state by making the majority dependent on tax credits and letting low wage culture set in so employers could be subsidized by the taxpayer rather than invest in automation.
Opening the borders to mass immigration. Immigration and change are inevitable. But this pace never was.
Selling our gold before gold prices sky rocketed
Starting the cycle of government debt that now has us at 100% debt to gdp ratio
And finally, being war criminals and de-stabilising Iraq and Syria, the consequences of which we live with to this day.

Then came ‘call me Dave’. A guy you wouldn’t pay to clean your shed. Continued and perpetuated the rot by never investing in infrastructure and having 0 grip on his party.

Maybot was an unmitigated disaster. As well as making a hash of Brexit negotiations, she signed into law net 0 without any public debate, leaving us with the highest energy prices in the world.

Johnson was a corrupt and incompetent lowlife, who used Covid to line the pockets of his cronies, while trying to massage economic growth, unsuccessfully, by driving net migration to a million.

Truss was a footnote in history with the right diagnosis about supply side reforms, but couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, let alone enact policies to make those reforms happen.

Sunak was a useless ‘piss in the wind’ kind of dude who had printed a borrowed £1 trillion during Covid to facilitate rampant corruption and then looked all wide eyed and shocked that inflation rocketed to nearly 20%.

And now we have Two Tier and his merry band of clowns. Everything is worse than it was a year ago. Who’d have thought that was even possible. Food inflation nearing 10%, gilt yields higher than when Truss was around, illegal immigration higher than ever, top rate rate taxpayers leaving the country, taxes higher than ever, economic growth nowhere in sight, and welfare and public spending is so out of control, the house of cards could easily collapse.

Reform won’t solve this. But what it may do is that it will consign Labour and Tories in their current form, to the dustbin of history. No one who is in parliament now should be anywhere near the legislature. It may take a shock like a Reform government for a sensible centre right revival to the conservatives, with a completely new crop of MPs, maybe 10-15 years from now . The Tories are so far gone, that it seems unlikely, but what else is there.

MaySea · 06/07/2025 16:17

yellowspanner · 06/07/2025 11:38

I would love Nigel Farage to be the next Prime Minister. I think he would sort immigration, cut welfare and lower taxes

Not sure what you mean by 'sort' immigration. He says he wants to introduce an Australian style system so I expect immigration will increase. The Australian system is to encourage immigration and they have at least twice as many immigrants per head as the UK does. I definitely agree that he will cut welfare. Everybody but the super rich's welfare will be greatly reduced if he gets his way. Lowering taxes is a good way of doing that.

Whammyyammy · 06/07/2025 16:09

100% he's going to be our next PM. Tory rule failed, and two tier Keir, rachel and Angela have been simply awful.
As much as I don't want farage to be our PM, he will and I actually think I'll vote for him as don't want Tory or Labour

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:07

Jennps · 06/07/2025 16:03

Yes I would mind. Google it. It’s not hard.

Ok. I mean that does indicate you are making the up as you go along.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 16:06

KarmaKameelion · 06/07/2025 16:00

On the flip side - it has taken the rise of reform for labour to even talk about the migrant crisis. The left are constantly sneering and calling anyone racist who even dares to bring up the topic.

To be honest I still think it is way down the list of things that affect the lives of most of those living in the UK and the fact that some people are so bothered is down to racist leanings.

But we live in a democracy and it is right that it is discussed if a significant proportion of the electorate want that.

I just wish they would take a. Interest in things that may take more effort to understand but will affect them and their families much more.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 16:03

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:51

Would you mind sharing your sources for these figures? Thanks

Yes I would mind. Google it. It’s not hard.

KarmaKameelion · 06/07/2025 16:00

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:52

The 'thick' trope comes from a refusal to discuss anything other than immigrants on boats.

Why don't you take the chance to show people they are wrong.

Would you share some of your views about the other policies that reform have and how they will make life before people?

On the flip side - it has taken the rise of reform for labour to even talk about the migrant crisis. The left are constantly sneering and calling anyone racist who even dares to bring up the topic.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:58

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:30

The fact that you can’t get your head around it and understand people’s opposition to illegal migration or support for Reform points to a deficiency in your own critical thinking. So rather than rail against ‘thick’ people as you like to call them, perhaps take a look in the mirror.

Do you realise that if elected, reform will have to deal with all of the complex issues involved with running a country as well as the immigration issue.

Can I ask a genuine question? Have you looked at their other policies and thought your life would be better and your family more secure with them? Could you tell me about this?

Do you have views on
The NHS
State education
The UK getting involved in a way in the middle east
The economy?

I am genuinely asking you to share them

KarmaKameelion · 06/07/2025 15:57

strawlight · 06/07/2025 11:38

What I don’t understand is this: the Lib Dems are (or were) the third biggest party, so why the hell aren’t they sorting themselves out and coming up with a really strong leadership and manifesto while the other two are so unbelievably dreadfu? Surely they’d be onto a winner?!

I always wonder this too. Where are they??? I struggle to even remember who is in charge of them these days….

i do live in a county where the Lib Dems have taken over from the conservatives council (rightly so, they were doing a terrible job) and somehow seem to balls it’s up even more with their little pet projects. Millions on cycle lanes no one uses ect ect and constantly just blame whatever govt is in power for why they haven’t done what they say they would.

I do actually quite like ed davey (just remembered his name!) when you do get a fleeting glimpse of him

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 06/07/2025 15:55

PiggyPigalle · 06/07/2025 15:40

The Democrats certainly shone with evil speak yesterday on the subject of floods and lives lost in Texas.
Yes, they were really pleased it happened in a red state, because it proves to those doubters that there is climate change.
Nastiness is not exclusive to left, right or the middle.

What was said?

It's worth noting that under Biden, more funding and investment was directed to red states because they needed it more, even though he knew they wouldn't thank him and opposed his clean energy policies. He was a president for all Americans, not just those who voted for him. Those nasty Dems, eh?

All I've seen is concern re the impact of FEMA funding cuts in the new Bill and the lack of visibility or empathy from Trump. Previous presidents (both sides of the aisle) have shown more care in light of natural disasters.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:55

Jennps · 06/07/2025 14:51

Or maybe voters look at facts, numbers.

You know like small boats surpassing all previous records so far this year.

You can feel good about the ‘ethical’ ways. General public cares about the reality or numbers.

Can you please link me to some of the figures and facts you want me to be aware of? I'm always wanting to understand the issues more deeply.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:52

babasaclover · 06/07/2025 15:34

Couldn’t agree more. Sick of being told how thick we are, the whole point of democracy is the majority vote wins - except those like OP who think they know better want it their own way 🤷‍♀️

The 'thick' trope comes from a refusal to discuss anything other than immigrants on boats.

Why don't you take the chance to show people they are wrong.

Would you share some of your views about the other policies that reform have and how they will make life before people?

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:51

Jennps · 06/07/2025 14:59

Around 75% of asylum claims are granted. Fast tracking is basically another name for an amnesty. Come and your claim will most likely be accepted. It gets the people in the waiting list down but doesn’t reduce the pull factor. That’s why the numbers are increasing even further. Net results is that more people come over, claims are accepted at faster rate and the Ponzi scheme becomes bigger and bigger. It’s basically an open door at this point.

It’s beyond a farce. And people can see it.

Would you mind sharing your sources for these figures? Thanks

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:49

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:47

Go ahead, it’s what you need to do get this hysteria out of your system. Happy to help however I can.

I think you need to look up what the word hysteria means.
You have responded to a number of calm, measured posts which disagree with you by labelling the poster 'hysterical'.

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:48

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:46

Look you struggle with basic comprehension probably because you are a typical hysterical shrieker on the left who thinks that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, thick. Or a reform voter. You have no idea how I vote or if at all.

I would ask you to point me to where I have said things will be better under reform. But since you struggle with basic comprehension, you probably won’t even understand the question.

Yes I definitely come out of these posts as the hysterical one.
You spoke on behalf of the entire general public (I'm mean that's pretty arrogant, but let's move on).
I pointed out that you can only speak for you and made reference to the last GE. You responded by talking about the next GE.

I'll leave you to it.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:47

Cososom · 06/07/2025 15:43

Incoherent? Oh, sorry, you should've just said if you didn't understand it. I can draw pictures, if you like?

Go ahead, it’s what you need to do get this hysteria out of your system. Happy to help however I can.

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:46

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:41

Oh god I am trying not to use the trope of reform voters being a bit thick. But you're making it challenging!

You spoke on behalf of the general public. I pointed out that many of the general public don't share your views and didn't at the last GE. I.e. you have the right to speak for yourself but not the general public of an entire country.

There was no reference to the next election.

Perhaps Reform will get more votes at the next GE. Perhaps not. Some councils are now reform and have a chance to prove they can do other things as well as shouting about immigrants. Let's see how they do. There are some meaty issues in local government around social care, SEND and deficits in other areas to tackle. They will certainly have the change to show it of they are capable of any more. We're all watching.

There is talk of a new left wing party under Corbyn, who knows what that will look like. If that happens I can see that there end up being more coalition governments in the future, variously leaning left or right.

Reform may pick up some more votes but it's a long way to go for a majority.

Putting the issue of immigration aside, what other ways do you feel your life would be better under a reform government?

Look you struggle with basic comprehension probably because you are a typical hysterical shrieker on the left who thinks that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong, thick. Or a reform voter. You have no idea how I vote or if at all.

I would ask you to point me to where I have said things will be better under reform. But since you struggle with basic comprehension, you probably won’t even understand the question.

Cososom · 06/07/2025 15:43

Jennps · 06/07/2025 15:41

Points? Yes, your points upthread indeed. Incoherent, hysterical abusive rant. Explains a lot to be honest.

Incoherent? Oh, sorry, you should've just said if you didn't understand it. I can draw pictures, if you like?

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:42

PiggyPigalle · 06/07/2025 15:40

The Democrats certainly shone with evil speak yesterday on the subject of floods and lives lost in Texas.
Yes, they were really pleased it happened in a red state, because it proves to those doubters that there is climate change.
Nastiness is not exclusive to left, right or the middle.

Shone with evil speak. You sound like you're from Gilead!

CleverButScatty · 06/07/2025 15:41

Jennps · 06/07/2025 14:55

Then you’ll have no problem, retaining your socialist Labour government in power.

The Reform surge and disillusionment with Labour must be a figment of everyone else’s imagination.

Oh god I am trying not to use the trope of reform voters being a bit thick. But you're making it challenging!

You spoke on behalf of the general public. I pointed out that many of the general public don't share your views and didn't at the last GE. I.e. you have the right to speak for yourself but not the general public of an entire country.

There was no reference to the next election.

Perhaps Reform will get more votes at the next GE. Perhaps not. Some councils are now reform and have a chance to prove they can do other things as well as shouting about immigrants. Let's see how they do. There are some meaty issues in local government around social care, SEND and deficits in other areas to tackle. They will certainly have the change to show it of they are capable of any more. We're all watching.

There is talk of a new left wing party under Corbyn, who knows what that will look like. If that happens I can see that there end up being more coalition governments in the future, variously leaning left or right.

Reform may pick up some more votes but it's a long way to go for a majority.

Putting the issue of immigration aside, what other ways do you feel your life would be better under a reform government?