... to think that Nigel Farage will be our next PM?

She didn't say any of those things. I think you are projecting, perhaps because you feel a little insecure in comparison.

Also, what makes you think that intelligent, well educated people don't have a wide range of lived experiences. I'm well educated and successful, I have children with disabilities, parents who are ill, had a difficult marriage breakdown. I've lived as a single parent, earlier in my career in an area with high levels of crime and deprivation.
What makes you think you have more life experience than anyone else?

And whilst I make no suggestions you personally are a bigot or racist, those behind reform have demonstrated many times that they are and you are supporting them.

Has he ever said he wants to be PM?

I have little doubt that Reform could win a majority one day.
I live in quite a rough area in the NW and they had Reform campaigners out the other day. The positive attention they attracted was worrying.
I now know several reform voters of all ages.
These would have been old school labour voters, who previously voted Labour and now disillusioned with the Tories, have gone over to Reform.

However, I don’t think Farage will be able to do the job as he’s a snake who wants the celebrity status but not to do an ounce of the work required to be PM, so will get out of it on some technicality.

I don't recall saying those things ?

Look the blue haired thing was tongue in cheek. But perhaps in poor taste in a serious discussion. Sorry.

Is it fair to blanket insult people with blue hair, septum piercings and/or tights you dissaprove of? You and Jennp have been calling people you disagree with "sneering lefty" AMD hysterical etc etc for a while. I dont think all Brexit voters/all reform voters are stupid. But that doesn't make it OK for you to call people that disagree with names or ensure they are out of touch with ordinary people (whats ordinary anyway? People who share your viewpoint? In assuming we all love and work in the same country)

Edited to say it wrote this before seeing your follow up!

I think in real life lots of real people living in the UK have different opinions on Brexit, Reform etc. I dont think it helps that someone who had different views has them because they are iuneducated/out of touch/drinks lattes/reads the Sun. People are more complicated than that and students with blue hair are as ordinary and as British as a 40 year old builder and vice versa

Sorry, I couldn't help myself with the blue hair thing. As you were nice about it, I'll take my telling off graciously 😁

Although, I still stand by my points with that particular poster. She did get out the two rote shuts downs : "racist" and "bigot" to label all reform voters. It's that attitude that's making people silently seethe and worsens the rebellion in society.

I simply don’t believe they want to stop it, these people will be Labours future voters. If I’m wrong and they are trying to stop it, then they’re making it worse. Either way they will have to go and I can’t see them ever coming back,

Because only "educated Cambridge graduates" opinions matter. I've got you. Very loud and clear. For such a clever one, you're showing a stunning degree of lack of insight, a total dismissal of people's lived experiences, and chucking out blanket insults to a whole group of people : "racist" "bigot". But, you're the educated one aren't you, so that's ok. Thick white people (you're assumed audience ) are ok to hurl insults at. I'd love to see if you use the same tact for others groups of people. But of course you don't. Only works one way doesn't it, but repeating myself: you're the clever one (sigh)

The ones I speak to are mainly highly educated, degrees, masters, high ranking in their fields! ( Like I said my bubble is quite small) 🤷

I find you interesting to talk to but be fair, you were rude first with the ripped tights/blue hair comment and then the "that explains it" re University comment. And they responded with a quip about being educated. But you were condescending first.

They have 4 mps. How do you foresee them forming a government do you think they can attain a majority?

Studies have proven that Reform voters are less educated than the voters of any other parties.

What does "doing something about this" look like?

• renegotiate a returns agreement and information sharing agreement with france/the EU
• arrest gang ringleaders, disrupt gang activity
• disrupt money laundering activities linked to gangs
• get French police to sink more boats their end (you can't make them do it. It's a sovereign country so you have to ask nicely)
• process asylum claims faster and send back rejected claimants faster
• remove asylum seekers from the hotels that are costing a fortune and find alternative accommodation

Some of those things Labour are doing or at least claiming to do (but at least in some cases you can see they have done it. Smashing the gangs seems more nebulous). Keir gave that whole strangers speech which offended lots of people but I suspect failed to convince anyone who distrusted him on immigration. Time will tell if it makes a difference but anything other than 0 migration will be a problem for some.

Another poster suggested the "thing that must be done" could be concentration camps. Britain had done concentration camps before - during the Boer war. And public disgust was so large it brought down the government. Even if lots of people think they want a strong stance on migration they won't be able to stomach children in concentration camps. There will be a backlash the other way. Though I guess in the interim someone will.make lots of money and a lot of people will suffer.

Arrogance to boot. Tick. Usually the way. We'll say no more. You've proved your points nicely luckily.

My daughter has all 3! She's voting reform! Don't think she got the memo for the dress code! 🤣🤣

Could you tell us what they have done, and the changes they have made?

Ah. That explains it somewhat.

You see people who don't like Reform tend to be the educated ones.

You left wing extremist you!

Er no. I'm a 50 year old Cambridge graduate!

Have you got blue hair , ripped tights, and a septum piercing per chance ?

No worries. I thought you’d maybe posted on the wrong thread 🤣

Rwanda cost a ridiculous amount of money and came to nothing when the Tories tried it. And no, I don't want concentration caps which is what you are describing would need.to be if they were to serve as a deterrent rather than simply housing. That's not left wing hysteria that's just what they would be. Concentration camps are a plan. They are a bad plan. Nigel Farage is a man with a bad plan. "Less humane" is an understatement.

And it wouldn't even make life better for ordinary people which is what people say they want. Like in America which now has alligator Alcatraz but also tax cuts for millionaires and no health care for most of Trump's voters.

If a Government with a huge majority isn’t doing something about this, it’s because they don’t want to. The fact that messing with farmers , pensioners and prep school kids because they don’t vote for you takes a higher priority over social fabric falling to pieces tells people everything they need to know. It’s inevitable it’ll be reform or reform/tory hybrid, Labour simply don’t care about the things most of the country do now,

This is true but leaving the EU gave us another lever to pull - the opportunity to drop the European Convention on Human Rights, which made it impossible for the UK to export small-boat arrivals to Rwanda for processing of their asylum claim, or taking the less humane route of simply imprisoning them. Either of those options would have made the UK a less attractive destination for the small boats. It's the most effective, if drastic, solution available at this time.

The problem is that Labour won't pull that lever, which is fair and understandable given their overall political position and opposition to Brexit at the time, and the Conservatives are "considering" it but only now that they find themselves in opposition, having passed up the chance to do it when they were in government.

I'm not saying it's a good idea but only Reform have actually come out and said that they will do it. So Farage can portray himself as the man with a plan.