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Do you think there’s 2 tier policing in the uk?

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Watermelonice · 05/07/2025 18:21

And 2 tier sentencing?

And if so who is driving this?

And for what end goal?

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ShesTheAlbatross · 05/07/2025 18:37

SillyOP · 05/07/2025 18:29

At least two. Have a think about who you can and cannot criticise publicly and that will give you a rough idea

Who do you think can’t be criticised publicly (compared to an equivalent group that you think can be criticised publicly).

SpottyAardvark · 05/07/2025 18:35

Of course there is.

A young white woman of stereotypical middle class dress & appearance driving an expensive sports car is very unlikely to be stopped by the police. But a young black man driving the same car…

JohnnyLuLus · 05/07/2025 18:35

There is two-tier policing, but not in the way Reformers claim there is.
Black people are policed far more harshly than white people. This is the two-tier policing that is actually backed by data and isn't new, and definitely not something Kier Starmer has initiated.

https://raceequalityfoundation.org.uk/news/black-people-more-than-three-times-as-likely-to-experience-forceful-policing/#:~:text=Notably%2C%20the%20data%20reveals%20a,of%20incidents%20(453%2C862%20cases).

https://www.inquest.org.uk/bame-deaths-in-police-custody

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/crime-justice-and-the-law/policing/stop-and-search/latest/

Black people more than three times as likely to experience forceful policing - Race Equality Foundation

Latest Home Office figures show an increase in use of force tactics by the police. In the year ending on March 31, 2023, there were 659,372 recorded incidents of police officers using force in the United Kingdom, marking an 8% increase compared to the...

https://raceequalityfoundation.org.uk/news/black-people-more-than-three-times-as-likely-to-experience-forceful-policing#:~:text=Notably%2C%20the%20data%20reveals%20a,of%20incidents%20(453%2C862%20cases).

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Watermelonice · 05/07/2025 18:33

Locutus2000 · 05/07/2025 18:28

I think you meant to ask ChatGPT a question. This is mumsnet, you need a point.

Well it seems that there may be, as different groups seem to be treated differently for similar crimes, but I’m not sure if reporting is trustworthy or if I’ve just gone down a twitter rabbit hole.

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JHound · 05/07/2025 18:33

There is and has been for a long time. But not the way people currently day there is. The data clearly shows the imbalance in things like stop and search rates, imprisonment rates, average sentencing etc. Even what mugshots the police choose to release to the media and what the media choose to share with the public.

But most prefer to see their emotions and feelings as facts instead of analysing the data.

SillyOP · 05/07/2025 18:29

At least two. Have a think about who you can and cannot criticise publicly and that will give you a rough idea

Locutus2000 · 05/07/2025 18:28

I think you meant to ask ChatGPT a question. This is mumsnet, you need a point.

PandoraSocks · 05/07/2025 18:26

No.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/07/2025 18:25

No. But I do think male violence against women isn’t treated with the seriousness it deserves and the consequences it warrants.

stargirl1701 · 05/07/2025 18:24

No, I think the funding for policing was decimated from 2010 onwards. There are issues with sentencing but are they related to the lack of prison spaces?

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