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… To be considering leaving the UK?

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globalnomad25 · 05/07/2025 13:17

We have been considering leaving, even if only for a few years. Many of our clients have already gone or are planning it, and some of our friends too.

I’m not sure where we’d go: UAE, Portugal, Jersey, Ireland, Canada, Australia? We don’t currently want to move to the US, even though that would probably make the most sense from a business/client point of view.

For those out there who have already left, how has it gone? Was it a horrible mistake or are you glad you did it?

For those also thinking about it, where would you go?

Kids are school-aged and smart and used to international travel as our work already takes us all over, although they’d miss their friends (as would we). We aren’t English so our family is already based all over the place, although we visit them frequently.

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Grammarnut · 07/07/2025 08:54

strawberrybubblegum · 06/07/2025 21:55

The rational criteria for funding university isn't strictly where the parents live, but rather which students are most likely to use that education to become (as highly contributing as possible) taxpayers and also stay in the UK long enough to repay the investment in their education. But there are political reasons why that isn't the criteria. So family location acts as a proxy.

Well, residence, which can be substantiated, is a fairer criteria than projections into the future about a person's likely residence and earning power - neither of which are provable at the point of access. Thus residence makes a good proxy.
I don't see the problem here. If you want to go to a British university and you are an expat, come home.

Absolutely45 · 07/07/2025 08:52

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:47

Labour really have completely fucked that up, with their policies and the accompanying vitriolic rhetoric.

We were happily oblivious to how unbalanced and how hate-filled our social contract was before. We just happily got on with working and paying in huge amounts. We're no longer oblivious. So what next?

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You've made that all up - Taxes are still far lower than the post war period, yet the wealthy still survived, just be lucky you have a great life style despite higher taxes but instead its just moan moan moan.

Try being a carer on NMW?

14 years of awful polices, have wrecked the UK but its quite simple, if you hate the UK & its Govt, then your life would be better elsewhere.

I don't like what the UK has become, i don't see any Govt being able to turn it around either, for me, it will be spending more and more time abroad, subject to Schengen rules.

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:52

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 08:47

You don’t know that you are and no I don’t despise you I despise the money hoarding, poor me mentality shown on here when posters are
anything but that.

Rachel Reeves is certainly a net tax contributor, but she despises us too. It's not really so much to do with what your current salary is: more your sense of entitlement to other people's money to benefit yourself and others you deem more worthy. More worthy to enjoy that money than the people whose money it actually is.

Absolutely45 · 07/07/2025 08:48

Poppins21 · 07/07/2025 07:07

But other countries are welcoming the wealthy with open arms though- see golden visas, investor visas etc

UK also offers various types of investor visa, Sunak closed down the Tier 1 investment visa.

EU closed down almost all Golden Visa's

UK is apparently no 1 for foreign investment & the numbers of the super rich leaving the UK has been grossly exaggerated. wonder why?

Since Brexit, the UK has become less attractive, add in appalling public services.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 08:47

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:41

You despise me even though I'm funding you.

Weird.

And not sustainable as a social contract.

You don’t know that you are and no I don’t despise you I despise the money hoarding, poor me mentality shown on here when posters are
anything but that.

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:47

Labour really have completely fucked that up, with their policies and the accompanying vitriolic rhetoric.

We were happily oblivious to how unbalanced and how hate-filled our social contract was before. We just happily got on with working and paying in huge amounts. We're no longer oblivious. So what next?

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:41

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 08:24

My heart bleeds for you.🙄

You despise me even though I'm funding you.

Weird.

And not sustainable as a social contract.

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:40

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 08:24

My heart bleeds for you.🙄

Exactly.

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 08:38

turkeyboots · 07/07/2025 08:08

Unless you stick to International schools moving a post GCSE child is tricky. Education systems won't match up and it will be a werid few years of settling into any public school system. And then you have post 18 yo visas to think of and university education. I have a US based relative who's in a visa nightmare as their UK born eldest is aging out of the family visa and they face the risk of not being able to live together.
Im in Ireland, have relatives in the US, Canada, Australia, France and NZ. No where is perfect, everywhere has is own issues, so go with open eyes.

I agree - education is a very real sticking point. It's the bit I can't quite square - even with English-system schools. I've been thinking I've left it too late to move during the education years (and definitely questioning our earlier choices - but then the UK wasn't such a shit-show 10 years ago)

But I was struck by @Araminta1003 's comment earlier that she's planning her move with the intention of relocating her entire family's locus, for the long-term benefit of her children. . She's not trying to keep her children connected to the UK through their education: she feels they will have better lives settled in Europe. This rings huge alarm bells for the UK's future. If professionals think their UK-born children (likely to be bright and hard-working - these things are correlated with parental educational siccess, whether you like that reality or not) will have a better future elsewhere and deliberately relocate the whole family, that's really bad for the UK. And has the hallmarks of a snowball effect.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 08:24

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:39

So you don't know what it feels like in the UK right now. When the government are deliberately rabble -rousing against you. And NHS doctors are denying children mental health treatment for being 'too rich'.

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My heart bleeds for you.🙄

turkeyboots · 07/07/2025 08:08

Unless you stick to International schools moving a post GCSE child is tricky. Education systems won't match up and it will be a werid few years of settling into any public school system. And then you have post 18 yo visas to think of and university education. I have a US based relative who's in a visa nightmare as their UK born eldest is aging out of the family visa and they face the risk of not being able to live together.
Im in Ireland, have relatives in the US, Canada, Australia, France and NZ. No where is perfect, everywhere has is own issues, so go with open eyes.

Lifeofthepartay · 07/07/2025 08:07

heldinadream · 05/07/2025 16:29

@Movingon2024 You say the summer is brutal and only going to get worse, but you also say you doubt that you'll come back.
I'm truly not trying to be goady- if you see my post above you'll see I have relatives in Portugal who are thinking of returning partly for that reason. But do you not worry that more brutal will actually become impossible to live in?
As someone who's been aware of climate change for a long time, before the phrase was even coined, nothing would make me move to a country that's hot and going to get hotter and I'm increasingly mystified that anyone would consider it or seriously think they're going to be able to stay as it gets worse.

But surely it doesn't need to be permanent? It's clearly easy to move countries for a small section of the population, like the OP and others commenting here that seem to be able to get visas to anywhere they want...so if someone is in that position then it would be easy to move there and even easier to come back home?

IwasDueANameChange · 07/07/2025 07:54

Family members who've emigrated to countries long flights away have struggled emotionally with the fact that you do really cut your family ties - their lives carry on without you. So think about where family are and recognise that if its a long flight, people will rarely visit.

I'd head to scandinavia myself.

RenoLouis · 07/07/2025 07:52

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 07:39

And other reports say otherwise.

Millionaires don’t quibble over school fees. Just saying.

Just trot off and do it,it’s like a petulant child threatening to run away over and again.🙄

What reports say otherwise? The socialist workers party?

Millionaires don’t quibble over school fees. Just saying.

Of course they do, they also quible over politicians smirking as their children’s schools close down and the education secretary saying their children are not ‘our’ children.

I’m getting the impression you are quite elderly and a little bit out of touch.

InterIgnis · 07/07/2025 07:51

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 06:08

And again the scaremongering is tedious,0.5% leaving is negligible. It’s not actually that easy to move wealth.

The 0.5% claim comes from taxjustice, which does not differentiate between liquid millionaires and those that hold their wealth in an asset, usually property.

It’s liquid wealth the UK is losing, and the net outflow is accelerating yearly. In one year alone the U.K. lost the equivalent of over half a million average tax payers (and that’s based only on the loss of income tax). The impact of this is far from negligible..

… To be considering leaving the UK?
strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:51

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 07:39

And other reports say otherwise.

Millionaires don’t quibble over school fees. Just saying.

Just trot off and do it,it’s like a petulant child threatening to run away over and again.🙄

I have options about whether to trot off. You're not part of the conversation. Now do trot off yourself, do. 🙄

EasternStandard · 07/07/2025 07:48

Poppins21 · 07/07/2025 07:07

But other countries are welcoming the wealthy with open arms though- see golden visas, investor visas etc

Exactly. Why do you think they do this? @L1ghyn1ngBug

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:47

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 06:08

And again the scaremongering is tedious,0.5% leaving is negligible. It’s not actually that easy to move wealth.

Well 0.5% isn't negligible when the top 1% pay 30% of income tax. And if you imagine their high salaries are some kind of sleight of hand, you're dreaming. They get paid much more because their skills and work bring much more economic value. That's why other countries are offering them visas. So it's not just income tax you need to worry about - it's GDP.

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:39

AuxArmesCitoyens · 07/07/2025 05:39

Fucking hell that might be the crassest post I have ever read. An I am speaking as a HNW expat.

So you don't know what it feels like in the UK right now. When the government are deliberately rabble -rousing against you. And NHS doctors are denying children mental health treatment for being 'too rich'.

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 07:39

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:36

Highest exodus of millionaires of any country worldwide currently. And it's expected that in 2025 we'll have the highest loss of millionaires of any country in the last decade.

The UK does like to go out on a limb and do things other countries don't (eg Brexit, taxing education).

And other reports say otherwise.

Millionaires don’t quibble over school fees. Just saying.

Just trot off and do it,it’s like a petulant child threatening to run away over and again.🙄

strawberrybubblegum · 07/07/2025 07:36

InterIgnis · 07/07/2025 03:10

And again, higher earners aren’t just threatening it, they’re already actually doing it. The UK has one of the highest rates of wealth flight in the world, if not the highest.

I personally prefer living outside of the UK, and I do indeed have a better lifestyle now than I did when I lived there. I doubt anyone contemplating moving, or moving, is expecting utopia, rather a country that offers a better lifestyle for them than they have in the UK. It’s fine if it wouldn’t be better according to you, because, unless you’re the one emigrating, it doesn’t need to be.

Highest exodus of millionaires of any country worldwide currently. And it's expected that in 2025 we'll have the highest loss of millionaires of any country in the last decade.

The UK does like to go out on a limb and do things other countries don't (eg Brexit, taxing education).

L1ghyn1ngBug · 07/07/2025 07:26

Poppins21 · 07/07/2025 07:07

But other countries are welcoming the wealthy with open arms though- see golden visas, investor visas etc

As we’ve established you’re not always better off for a variety of reasons including financial hence the actual very small numbers actually doing it.

I’m suspecting somebody quibbling over an extra £3k in school fees might find Switzerland a tad pricey. Schools fees can be double those in the uk.

Poppins21 · 07/07/2025 07:09

alsohappenedoverhere · 06/07/2025 23:34

I’m thinking about going. Mainly school fees and the fact it is now so difficult to earn a high take home salary. I’ve just earnt a £68k bonus and I’ll see about £30k of it. I’m fed up of being told I’m privileged as though I am to blame for everything wrong. I feel like a cash tap and have had enough. Wages are low in this country and I can earn significantly more elsewhere where my education and skill set are valued. It’s not just income tax but all the stealth taxes too. My eldest will be going to uni soon - if we leave our house will rent for around £60k pa which will be v minimal uk tax as dh and I will have no other uk income. That will pay uni fees and accommodation with money left over for next child. I currently earn more than I ever have (more than double a decade ago) yet have never felt so worried about money. Meanwhile the streets are filthy, the local shop gets robbed so often I won’t let the kids go there alone, the roads are full of potholes etc etc.

You should explore all your options. Good luck

Poppins21 · 07/07/2025 07:07

L1ghyn1ngBug · 06/07/2025 22:13

A tiny number of people who are paid far more than they should be compared to a huge majority who are paid far less than they should be.

Maybe appreciate what you have instead of inflicting other countries with your greed.

But other countries are welcoming the wealthy with open arms though- see golden visas, investor visas etc

EasternStandard · 07/07/2025 07:06

potatotomata · 07/07/2025 06:46

Just be honest - you don’t get it but you wish you earnt enough to be able to understand

The destructive crab in a bucket mindset is such a sad thing about the UK

Agree with last line.