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globalnomad25 · 05/07/2025 13:17

We have been considering leaving, even if only for a few years. Many of our clients have already gone or are planning it, and some of our friends too.

I’m not sure where we’d go: UAE, Portugal, Jersey, Ireland, Canada, Australia? We don’t currently want to move to the US, even though that would probably make the most sense from a business/client point of view.

For those out there who have already left, how has it gone? Was it a horrible mistake or are you glad you did it?

For those also thinking about it, where would you go?

Kids are school-aged and smart and used to international travel as our work already takes us all over, although they’d miss their friends (as would we). We aren’t English so our family is already based all over the place, although we visit them frequently.

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Araminta1003 · 09/07/2025 08:33

And whilst the Tories negligently called for a Brexit vote, it is the population that voted for it!
You know have Labour backbenchers trying to ruin the country as well. The ideologies on both the far left and far right do not work. They are counter to the best interests of the country long term. It is people with egos trying to throw them around.

Araminta1003 · 09/07/2025 08:32

Rightly implemented legal migration promotes economic growth. It is how you do it, not the concept as such. Labour could easily sort this out if they had the skills to do so.

Absolutely45 · 09/07/2025 08:24

Strawberrri · 09/07/2025 07:10

Its sad to see the decline of the UK under Labour and the Conservatives. The economy is the middle east is growing

well the decline is partly because the electorate only vote for whoever doles out the most in benefits and least in taxes- the winter fuel allowance was a bribe to older generations by Labour and triple lock o pensions by ?cons another and the older generations vote the most.
Also telling us we must be net zero when no other country is.

Squabbling over Brexit by Labour meant it cost so much more than needed.

Apparently a third of all illegal immigrants coming to Europe want to come to the U.K. - why- can only be benefits and free health and education social housing. because we are no longer a successful country offering a sound future. No other country would put up with this.

Triple lock and WFA were introduced because Pensions are so low in the UK, around 50% of the NMW.
Plus when introduced, the UK was relatively booming, growth under Labour was around 3%pa.

We had functioning public services in the 2000's ... now nothing works, nothing at all, the latest is the courts system... the party to blame is the Tories... but down to Labour to try and fix.

Ha ha Blaming Labour for Brexit... FFS they were in opposition and the Tories hade a decent majority, how about attaching blame to the party that gave us Brexit???

People come to the UK mainly because of our un regulated Labour market, our language but primarily because once here, they are highly unlikely to be deported but of course you ignore the real issue - legal migration!

1m were coming here each year in the final years of the Tory Govt... with little in the way of checks to make sure they leave when their visa expires.

Strawberrri · 09/07/2025 07:10

Its sad to see the decline of the UK under Labour and the Conservatives. The economy is the middle east is growing

well the decline is partly because the electorate only vote for whoever doles out the most in benefits and least in taxes- the winter fuel allowance was a bribe to older generations by Labour and triple lock o pensions by ?cons another and the older generations vote the most.
Also telling us we must be net zero when no other country is.

Squabbling over Brexit by Labour meant it cost so much more than needed.

Apparently a third of all illegal immigrants coming to Europe want to come to the U.K. - why- can only be benefits and free health and education social housing. because we are no longer a successful country offering a sound future. No other country would put up with this.

OntheBorder1 · 09/07/2025 06:23

Todayismyfavouriteday · 09/07/2025 04:53

Absolutely. I myself will move to Europe from Australia when my son finishes high school. I need history, art, old castles and the proximity to Europe. I'm not sporty, and I don't care for the outdoorsy, sunny lifestyle that Australia provides. I was just stating the fact that I am surrounded by Poms, and that I've never so far heard of anyone planning to go back.

I too am surrounded by Poms in NZ, many of whom have been here for years, who have no intention of returning.

Dorisbonson · 09/07/2025 06:07

I moved to the UAE for work, I was building a few homes on the side in the UK, it's not economical anymore, my projects will be sold in the next 2 months. All out clients are overseas so the UK office has been closed.

The UAE isn't a great place to work if you are employed here (long hours for many people) but it makes sense if you have young children and the country is designed to be easy for ex pat life. Healthcare and schools are all private, they are generally high standard. A lot of schools follow UK curriculum.

Its highly competitive for jobs and salaries in some roles are much lower than the UK eg accountants, IT, builders, are paid a much less than they would get in the UK.

Its sad to see the decline of the UK under Labour and the Conservatives. The economy is the middle east is growing rapidly, they are transitioning away from oil and are growing non oil industries hugely. The UAE has highly selective immigration policies, no benefits systems and is thriving.

I feel genuinely worried for the UK when I read the comments on here. The UK has lots of advantages but they are being dismantled by successive governments (Labour in particular). The world is global and the UK is falling behind.

On top of it's insane infrastructure, legal system, education and energy policies it's losing highly productive job creators and investors who pay lots of tax and replacing them with unproductive low skill immigrants who consume taxes - eg it's getting poorer, reducing its tax revenues and increasing government costs (more to pay for).

Passwordsaremynemesis · 09/07/2025 05:26

I left the UK for Ireland in the early 2000s, and left there for Australia in 2013. I love all three countries, but I prefer Oz. I get paid much more, the weather is glorious and I was able to buy a beautiful house that I would only have dreamt of in the UK. It’s not perfect, nowhere is, but I love it and am very glad we made the leap. We are going back to the UK and Ireland for a visit in a few weeks, I look forward to seeing it again, and see if I think it has changed much.

Todayismyfavouriteday · 09/07/2025 04:53

Teajenny7 · 08/07/2025 09:19

There have always been a lot of British immigrants in Australia. (£10 poms).
Years ago we followed Uni mates to Australia. We could have stayed as were in shortage professions. We didn't stay for man reasons. Recently, DC have gone for a few years but they decided to come back too.
My neice and her girlfriend, both doctors came back too.

Australian fiends and relatives are constantly complaining about cost of living, immigration, tax, people living of the state, and climate change.

The grass is not always greener.

Absolutely. I myself will move to Europe from Australia when my son finishes high school. I need history, art, old castles and the proximity to Europe. I'm not sporty, and I don't care for the outdoorsy, sunny lifestyle that Australia provides. I was just stating the fact that I am surrounded by Poms, and that I've never so far heard of anyone planning to go back.

8befgew · 08/07/2025 13:25

I think Switzerland would have less extreme heat than Dubai. Good choice

EasternStandard · 08/07/2025 13:15

Iamfree · 07/07/2025 17:56

@Firethehorse where are you ? (Broad region). I’m not a big fan of the Middle East, I am applying to jobs in Switzerland - some cantons have super low taxes and no inheritance taxes. Those who take take take, I’ll say goodbye - I am not super highly paid but last year I paid £260,000 in taxes and soon that money won’t be here any more. I also heard Italy has some tax advantages although I wouldn’t have global income (plan to sell my house that’s quite some cash). Thanks so much !

Well £260k taxes is not to be sniffed at. I can see why you’d go but Labour are hitting the tax take.

FancyOliveHiker · 08/07/2025 12:46

Overtheatlantic · 05/07/2025 13:56

You can’t just up and move to another country without proper visas.

You can, as a UK National, up and move to Ireland, Isle of Man, Jersey and Guernsey without a visa or residency permit to live, work or study due to the Common Travel Area agreement.

Firethehorse · 08/07/2025 11:00

Iamfree · 07/07/2025 17:56

@Firethehorse where are you ? (Broad region). I’m not a big fan of the Middle East, I am applying to jobs in Switzerland - some cantons have super low taxes and no inheritance taxes. Those who take take take, I’ll say goodbye - I am not super highly paid but last year I paid £260,000 in taxes and soon that money won’t be here any more. I also heard Italy has some tax advantages although I wouldn’t have global income (plan to sell my house that’s quite some cash). Thanks so much !

I’m in South East Asia right now. We’ve been in a fair few Countries and another Continent too. Some moves we have orchestrated but others not

Deboragh · 08/07/2025 10:04

Overtheatlantic · 05/07/2025 13:56

You can’t just up and move to another country without proper visas.

No shit Sherlock! Don't you think that as a family who are already well versed in international travel and with family in other countries, that this would be something they're well aware of. What a patronising comment, are you a man?

8befgew · 08/07/2025 09:46

I don't get the Australia hype whatsoever. I work in London and I've met so many Aussies who have moved to London for fun. They find Australia too quiet and boring and find London full of life and excitement.

Also quick trips to the EU from here.

8befgew · 08/07/2025 09:40

globalnomad25 · 05/07/2025 16:06

UAE mainly - Dubai and Abu Dhabi - but one has gone to Portugal, another to Singapore, and a family to Ireland (but the latter come from there originally).

Singapore is perfect imo. Virtually no crime

Teajenny7 · 08/07/2025 09:19

Todayismyfavouriteday · 07/07/2025 10:35

Sooo many British people have moved/ are moving to Australia, you'd feel right at home if you decide to move here. Most of my son's classmates have British parents. Amongst the reasons mentioned for the move are: sunny weather- better quality of life -better salaries - better working conditions.
I'm not British, nor Australian, but I studied in UK and most of my friends are British. As a rule they don't go back to the UK after Australia. Just FYI.

There have always been a lot of British immigrants in Australia. (£10 poms).
Years ago we followed Uni mates to Australia. We could have stayed as were in shortage professions. We didn't stay for man reasons. Recently, DC have gone for a few years but they decided to come back too.
My neice and her girlfriend, both doctors came back too.

Australian fiends and relatives are constantly complaining about cost of living, immigration, tax, people living of the state, and climate change.

The grass is not always greener.

Iamfree · 07/07/2025 17:56

@Firethehorse where are you ? (Broad region). I’m not a big fan of the Middle East, I am applying to jobs in Switzerland - some cantons have super low taxes and no inheritance taxes. Those who take take take, I’ll say goodbye - I am not super highly paid but last year I paid £260,000 in taxes and soon that money won’t be here any more. I also heard Italy has some tax advantages although I wouldn’t have global income (plan to sell my house that’s quite some cash). Thanks so much !

Lioncub2020 · 07/07/2025 17:07

Absolutely45 · 06/07/2025 08:28

Funny how the "going rate" is always applied to those at the top but those, such as care workers or nursery workers can claim top up benefits instead, despite there being a huge shortage in these sectors.

We have no money! yet its all ok to write off billions in Covid support and not go after the fraudsters... even vote them in to govern us.

Care workers should absolutely be paid more but then people kick off about the council tax rises needed to pay for it. Round here people get upset at even below inflation increases in council tax.

Firethehorse · 07/07/2025 17:01

I’ve been an expat for 17 years OP. We didn’t leave the UK due to not wanting to be there but because my husband was offered a promotion to do so. We were, and are, sad to not see friends and family as often as we would like but there are many benefits and we video call to the extent I know more about my parents lives than siblings who live relatively close by for instance. I can also sort things for them by email and do online purchases for things they want help sourcing.
There are plus and negative points to staying and leaving so look at what job(s) are available, look at if accommodation, schooling, medical and travel will be covered. Look at the size and make-up of the expat community, where they live and what they do during leisure time. You can to an extent pick a few destinations and find the right job in one of these places contrary to what is being said, although people are being let go globally right now so it’s harder. If they want you they will sort and pay for the visas.
We both worked and paid higher tax in the UK for many years before we left, this is what people don’t want to acknowledge. We love the UK and probably will return at some point and do so again. Right now we are enjoying experiencing other cultures and saving for our eventual retirement in the UK. Yes we are not putting money in (except when we visit for at least a month a year and pay accommodation, hire car, food etc which needs to be factored into your costs) but we are not taking anything out, it’s not a ‘bad’ thing to do as some seem to delusionally believe.
International Schools can be a fantastic learning environment and will ensure your children are familiar and happy around many cultures and ideas. Just because England does things a certain way that does not follow its the ‘right’ or only way and it’s very interesting viewing how different Countries and Continents operate.
It’s not true you can’t be offered local University fees, that’s entirely at the discretion of the individual Universities. There are many companies who can help you successfully navigate this. The Universities have their own non-altruistic reasons for doing so.
You asked a specific question regarding Singapore schooling and personally I would recommend Tanglin but look at the good schools guide as a starting point for all Countries you are considering.
Life can be hard and lonely at times so really think about why you would leave. I actually think this can be true of a move within the UK as well though. In many countries there is a large and extremely welcoming expat community so see what’s online as a start.
There isn’t a right and a wrong answer here. If you try and then return after a short or a long time that’s OK. If we think it’s right to allow people to come and work here then by default why do posters question people going abroad to work?
My husband will be seen as more ‘valuable’ to Global UK Companies because of his vast international experience when we return, you will be the same.
Good luck with making the right decision for your family.

EasternStandard · 07/07/2025 16:00

InterIgnis · 07/07/2025 14:28

If you’re referring to Greater London being Europe’s leading region in 2024, then yes it was, with a 31% decline from the previous year.

Ironically one of the measures implemented to attract investment to the U.K. is a 100% 4 year tax exemption on foreign income and gains.

A 31% decline. That’s not good

Caligirl80 · 07/07/2025 15:43

Best that you're not considering "moving to the US" as the immigration restrictions are pretty hardcore - so by all means go there for a long holiday, but if you want to actually move there you've got some work to do unless you are already a US national or green card holder. You should do a lot of homework and research on green card and entry requirements before you head down that route.

Your best bet is to start out by figuring out which countries you actually could easily move to without a prolonged immigration battle. Sadly Brexit has made it far less easy than it used to be to move to countries in Europe.

Your profession/income will dictate a lot of potential options. If your qualifications and fall into the category of people they actually want to have move to their country you are going to find things a lot easier. At this point since you haven't got a clue where you want to go (or even why) you're probably better off just taking some trips to places that you think you might like - after you've done the work to establish that you could actually live there for a year or more - and go from there.

Katiesaidthat · 07/07/2025 15:38

heldinadream · 05/07/2025 16:29

@Movingon2024 You say the summer is brutal and only going to get worse, but you also say you doubt that you'll come back.
I'm truly not trying to be goady- if you see my post above you'll see I have relatives in Portugal who are thinking of returning partly for that reason. But do you not worry that more brutal will actually become impossible to live in?
As someone who's been aware of climate change for a long time, before the phrase was even coined, nothing would make me move to a country that's hot and going to get hotter and I'm increasingly mystified that anyone would consider it or seriously think they're going to be able to stay as it gets worse.

It´ll be fine in our lifetimes, and our children´s lifetimes. Life is possible in Dubai, isn´t it? And it is much much hotter than Souther Europe. I say it as someone who has lived in Southern Europe for 51 years. I just find it a bit mystifying that Portugal is going to be "uninhabitable" in our lifetimes. So what are the Spanish and Portuguese going to do in their uninhabitable lands? Move en masse to France? One thing is acknowledging climate change, and another is making a terror film out of it.

Crushed23 · 07/07/2025 15:15

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 07/07/2025 09:31

I'm too old. We considered it about 8 years ago abd opted to stay. Its a decision I now regret. GB is dreadful.

Why is it dreadful? That was not my experience of living there my whole life up to last year.

Oh and it’s never too late to emigrate - I did it at 35, and would have still done it had I been 55. 🤷‍♀️

InterIgnis · 07/07/2025 14:28

Absolutely45 · 07/07/2025 09:41

Yet reported this morning "The UK is no1 destination for foreign investment.

We also have the highest growth in Europe and sit 3rd behind the US and Canada.

The UK has suffered for many years with Austerity, companies wont invest if their workforce cannot get healthcare, they wont invest if they cannot get educated school leavers or have congested roads to ship their goods.

Reeves imho had no choice but to increase NI contributions, where else was she supposed to fund the 21billion black hole and put extra investment into schools, sure start and the NHS ?

The taxes raised against the very well off are extremely limited.

Labour have also got a limited trade deal with the US and have eased the terrible import restrictions that Brexit has given us, all will help growth.

btw Yes there is/was a Black hole, one argue about the absolute amount but all commentators put it above 12 billion.

If you’re referring to Greater London being Europe’s leading region in 2024, then yes it was, with a 31% decline from the previous year.

Ironically one of the measures implemented to attract investment to the U.K. is a 100% 4 year tax exemption on foreign income and gains.

FunnysInLaJardin · 07/07/2025 14:16

globalnomad25 · 05/07/2025 16:42

Oh Jersey is definitely one of my current favourite options and I’d love to know more about your experience. I think we may need to start off as a ‘registered’ renter though. Am I right in thinking we need 5 years for full work rights and 10 years for qualified? I hear the schools in St Helier are good too; like JCG?

If you have the rights skills that are not available here you would get a licenced job which would allow you to rent or buy a decent property. It all depends what work you do.

I wouldn't fancy moving here as a registered person as it really limits your housing and employment options.

As for schools, all of the schools are good, private and state