… To be considering leaving the UK?

I like Badenoch. She's still getting into her stride.

Boris Johnson was a destructive disaster (albeit in an incredibly difficult global environment which would have sunk a much better leader), Sunak was pretty good but didn’t have time to prove himself, I'm really hoping that Kemi will manage to turn the Conservative party back into a viable party by next election. But really, most parties need a couple of terms to sort themselves out after a long time in office.

Reform will be Labour's fault because within a year of getting into power - when the Conservatives are still in disarray - they've shown themselves to be incompetent and dishonest - so voters have given up hope. A new government usually manages to hold it together long enough after getting in for people to forget the policies they didn't like from the last lot.

And Reform will also be Labour's fault because Labour are still not listening on immigration and 2-tier Britain. Have they learnt nothing from Brext? (which both main parties are equally responsible for - although n the end it was the people's choice). At least Badenoch seems to actually be listening.

Euh? if the Tories fail in their job as an opposition, thats down to them, no one else.
Badenoch hasn't got it, she needs to go, though with just 118 MPs, they've a limited field.

Listening to a political pundit yesterday, it seems that the voters are either switching to Reform/Greens/LD or checking out and not voting.

Both main parties need to get their acts together or it'll be on both their heads.

No, i'm playing you at your own game, you will never accept that Labour inherited a lot of problems and everything now wrong is ALL their own doing - by that logic, anything good is also down to them!

I'm very much wishing that Badenoch gets things together. Because if she doesn't, we'll have Reform in 3-4 years time - maybe sooner. And that will be Labour's fault.

It's taken you 5 minutes to identify what needs to be done but it would take the civil service 18 months and a team of 20 to agree on this, by which point they will have all left. Filibustering is becoming a national sport. There is simply no appetite in the this country to face reality and be honest with the electorate.

What I find very interesting is a lot of the successful Chinese professionals who arrived in the last 10 years. They cannot hold dual citizenship so am wondering whether their Government can somehow just call them back. The UK Government should probably look out for their interests somewhat as they do not get a vote, but the ones I know (and there are a lot of them in London now), do pay a lot of tax. The EU dual nationals/Norway/Switerland etc obviously always have the option of both voting here once citizenship was acquired and leaving at the drop of a hat. The Indians have OCI which means they can easily do both as well. It would be worth doing more analysis on taxpayers and demographics.

Very glad we did it but we did it when our children were very small and we do need to reconsider now that they are approaching teenage years. I am torn between loving our adopted country and finding it interminably frustrating. But then that is also the case with all 3 countries that our immediate family holds passports for too - no country is perfect.

No intention of returning to the UK however. We have been able to give them so much more in terms of quality of life and safety/personal freedom living where we live - not to mention getting a GP appointment the same day without any issue whatsoever! Primarily though, I don't want to raise teenagers in the UK.

You don’t like hearing that you got it wrong. Not surprising but it’s still not as you posted.

It was incorrect.

Perhaps time to realise that most of us mobile lot are neither loyal to Labour or Tory nor will we stay and pay beyond a certain point either. I doubt anyone cares too much about my family personally, but if everyone like us does leave, the country will be truly screwed.

@Absolutely45 - why would I wish for that to happen?!
Like I said I could not give two monkeys whether it is Tory or Labour in. I just want a competent Government and this current lot are also already caving to the more extreme lot in their own party, just like the Tories did. I like Starmer and Streeting, for example, also liked Sunak and May.

You are right and it's going to come as a massive shock to a lot of people to realise they are working class and trapped.
A large part of the working class thinks it's middle class because it can access a large mortgage, car hire loans and pay for schools fees and trips to Ikos resorts with overdrafts and credit cards. Their children take on massive debt to go to University only to find there are no graduate jobs.

These people are actually the working class, the very class Labour say they are on the side of, the ones who create and support the UK economy.

When they finally can't afford any of the middle class trappings and realise they can't leave the country they will look at the benefit class and realise the government always looks after them so what's the point in working.
It's not going to take too many more cost of living and tax rises for that to happen.

Not with that level of majority & no opposition, Badenoch is next to useless - Blair had his own rebellions too but eventually things settle.

But keep wishing!

You constantly dismiss the problems Labour inherited as "Labour in power now"

You can't have it both ways - no matter how hard you try.

It is just like the Tories, they (Labour) will implode themselves.

I'm not surprised you are looking to leave, especially after the recent talks of a wealth tax. If this goes ahead there will be a mass exodus that will mean the working classes have to pay more tax to make up for the enormous hole that will be left. It's a ridiculous idea, but that is Labour for you.

I was a One Nation 'wet' Tory, with liberal social views and I am horrified at the attempt to out-reform Reform, for which I could not vote. I could live with the pragmatic centrists in the Labour Party, but not the rest. Starmer and Streeting, yes; even Rayner to a point, but the ideologues who want to run the asylum, no. The poor will always be with us, as long as we define it as a relative value, and I concede, as have many PPs, that the demographic profile is currently against us.

Top drive away the geese that pay so much of the top rate of tax in pursuit of social levelling is idiocy. As the 17th century French finance minister Colbert wrote, "Taxation is like plucking geese: the objective is the most feathers with the least hissing."

@EasternStandard - the problem with the civil servants in the Labour Party is that they just do not know how to listen to the experts in the private sector properly because they automatically assume their self interest. If they actually bother listening, they can even sort out the gilts issue. There is a huge amount of know how in this country in all areas and a strong hand can turn this around very quickly. The trouble is the talent is all in business rather than Government and it is immensely annoying that some of them do not switch to Politics. I wonder how much further we need to sink until people put country above cash in business. There should be a way to lead without the nonsense of having to stand in local politics. That much Farage is right on. Perhaps Labour could start observing and steal some of his better ideas. That might actually work. He does blab a lot and one should just help oneself really.

Who said the Tories were good? They got booted out for selling Brexit and then allowing in thousands and thousands of lower skilled migrants. And if Labour do not sort out the mess, then Reform will be in next.
Let me tell you that some in the City of London now expect Reform to get in and Farage is talking to some of the top level experts in Finance, Economics etc trying to get them on board. However, he is most likely a snake, will use the experts and then ditch them last minute and we may all be screwed. So absolutely Labour under Starmer have to get their big boy pants on and sort out this mess and boot out all the Corbynites for a start. Perhaps we may even see some more moderate Tories join Labour after all. If you love your country you should do what is best for it and sod the ideology. Wes Streeting and Starmer can sort this out if they actually bother to start focussing on the country. The general population is easily swayed by nonsense rhetoric - we all now that. Vast swathes of the country are Reform now, I say ignore it and plough on with doing stuff that actually works.
Anyone who can afford it should get their solar panels up etc. It is happening in my neighbourhood.
I reckon Labour should rebrand as a Centrist party that is economically savvy and should just lead with strength.

Agree. Such an own goal. The rest of us will feel it as they take other options.

There’s no point in you posting the wrong info.

Look at the visa changes, when they happened and when the effects happened.

I know it doesn’t help your argument but no point in overriding the actual facts.

Ha ha All that is good is to do with the Tories... BUT all that goes wrong is down to Labour.....

Lab in power, they get the ups and the downs....

https://propertyindustryeye.com/labours-vat-raid-on-private-schools-sees-sharp-rise-in-family-homes-for-sale/

The CEO of Winkworth would not be saying this if it were not true. It is in their interests for houses to come up for sale.
The private school VAT is another major piss take by Labour which will cause long term huge harm to the country as well.

Look whilst you have Labour putting off non Doms and parents who value education, it is really not a moral high ground to stand on. These two policies are hugely harmful, just like the Tory Brexit.
It may look like a tiny majority of people that are affected, but it absolutely has a huge effect on skilled top level migration and inward investment.

You cannot have a country that has a huge amount of top rate taxpayers with dual nationalities and options abroad and just implement nonsense like this and hope for the best. It won’t work.

“Why didn't the Tories have the right skills if it’s sooooo easy to do? they had 14 years o get it right....”

@Absolutely45 - I am not a partisan voter, more a fair weather friend who votes for the most sensible option at the time.

From where I am standing, as a successful dual national with options who has contributed immensely to this country (and that includes my DH too) - both educated throw own pockets as well in childhood or by another country - it seems that every time they open the borders here somewhat there is a floodgate. It was the case with EU migration too and was the case with Boris Johnson’s policies.
What we do need is selective highly skilled migration and attractive options for the rich entrepreneurs to invest here, but that offends the Lefties.

So really this current Government needs to get a grip on the far left in their own party and backtrack the non dom changes as well.

Why do people attribute this to the wrong gov?

The visa rule changes were implemented by last, any new ones will take time to have effect.

They have cut legal migration by 500k in just a few months.

Why didn't the Tories have the right skills if its sooooo easy to do? they had 14 years o get it right....