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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Dontlletmedownbruce · 05/07/2025 16:02

I have a high tolerance for children, I enjoy them and work with them but I am 100% with you on this OP. The frustrating thing is that because you are childless, she is assuming that is the issue, you don't understand. So whatever you say will be taken this way. She really needs to hear it from another friend who has a child. When a friend has a baby it always puts a strain on a relationship, that's normal but this isn't.

I do feel bad for Cara because she will find friendships really difficult. Her mother will raise her to be entitled and she won't understand why people eventually will tire of her and avoid her. She will also be made feel guilty and wrong when she is a teen and wants to ditch her mum , I can only imagine how devastated Zoey will be.

You are doing the right thing OP. Maybe in 10 years she will come crawling back and maybe you should then consider the way forward but for now I'd start accepting the friendship isn't really there.

Cherrytree86 · 05/07/2025 15:56

Lifestooshort6591 · 05/07/2025 15:27

You should not have said those things in front of a child. You are clearly not the friends you thought you were. When Cara wanted a pudding, you should have asked for the bill at the same time, paid your bit, and left. You already said at this point you knew the friendship was over so why hang around to get bad tempered?I really do not understand why people insist on flogging a dead horse. Shd is all about her children, you have no interest in children. Maybe you might be in different places in 5 years or more, but I do not see you rekindling this friendship after that lunch.

@Lifestooshort6591

urgh who’d wanna be friends with someone who is all about their children?! I mean, they’d be such boring company!

MaggiesShadow · 05/07/2025 15:53

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

If it's any consolation, @Letsblameitallonperi I don't know where that poster gets the idea that you're self-absorbed!

I can't abide people who can't or won't separate themselves from their children. She's setting that little girl up to be a nightmare.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/07/2025 15:52

Not the point, I know, but IMO that’s a weird way for her to spell Zoe!

BotterMon · 05/07/2025 15:48

I remember your last post about this. YADNBU and well done you for saying something. It may have fallen on deaf ears but maybe not?
I have a friend who does the same although daughter is 14, only joins towards end of lunch and even more annoying as sees herself as a VIP. Her mum just can't read the room when said daughter is trying to chat up businessmen having a serious lunch 🙄

PulchritudinousLycanthrope · 05/07/2025 15:44

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:15

Yes that’s the same person, I thought she might have learned from that but she just doesn’t care.

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

I changed my mind and I’m not going to block her but I am done with her. It will be awkward with other mutual friends but I think they are equally as fed up so it might give them a chance to be honest.

After the spa day there was another argument with her sister that she wanted Cara to be a bridesmaid at her wedding. Her sister wasn’t having bridesmaids as it was a really small wedding, Zoey wouldn’t give up and even bought a dress for Cara. She said she wasn’t going to the wedding but she did in the end when her other family stepped in.

It’s just not normal is it?! I don’t think she sees how weird and obsessive she is.

I ended up with a bridesmaid I didn't want because my sister was like this with her daughter.

My sister has had to weddings, presumably how she wanted them. She asked if her DD could be my BM and I said no. It's low key and I didn't want a BM or any of the 'trimmings' at all.

I got one anyway and dressed in my least favourite colour!

The kid is grown up now and it has to be said, she is a mini me and obnoxious as hell. I haven't seen any of them for years as I can't bear them.

Stay away from her and hers. She knew exactly what she was doing but, like my sister, probably can't say no to the DC.

Noodles1234 · 05/07/2025 15:40

I remember your previous post, Zoey sounds crackers. Some people when they become parents become self absorbed into this little bubble and they ignore everything else around them, usually the ones who struggle to let go when they start school or turn a teenager.
Awareness is key, and not seeing other adults becoming irritated it just sounds very self absorbed, obsessed and ignorant. They think everyone dotes and loves them as they do.

I feel it is important to have time to yourself, I understand it more when they’re babies, but 8 crikey. Especially if a friend is clear about wanting adult time, it sounds she is struggling to let go of any time with her daughter / a fear of any time spent apart is a moment wasted. It might do her daughter good to be apart from her too. Even women with children want adult time.

Find different friends, feel free to not block her, but I would let her consider her actions and she may need more time than you first think on this. Her comments were unkind to you, please don’t give them a second thought.

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 15:38

I mean heaven forbid someone might want to talk through their troubles with someone that's supposed to be a trusted friend. Such odd and entitled behaviour these days 🙄

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 15:34

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

Is that you Zoey?

SunnyViper · 05/07/2025 15:30

My sister in law was brought up,like this and was with her mother all the time. She was a precocious child and is a judgemental and overbearing adult now. One to be missed.

Lifestooshort6591 · 05/07/2025 15:27

You should not have said those things in front of a child. You are clearly not the friends you thought you were. When Cara wanted a pudding, you should have asked for the bill at the same time, paid your bit, and left. You already said at this point you knew the friendship was over so why hang around to get bad tempered?I really do not understand why people insist on flogging a dead horse. Shd is all about her children, you have no interest in children. Maybe you might be in different places in 5 years or more, but I do not see you rekindling this friendship after that lunch.

outerspacepotato · 05/07/2025 15:13

Cara is an extension of Zoe and Zoe's got issues. Unhealthy issues.

You're well clear of that mess. Your friend is gone and it hurts to lose a friend. Sorry.

FourLove · 05/07/2025 15:13

FWIW, I wouldn't like this situation either particularly having asked for one to one time with Zoe. It's not a question of how much I liked the child; conversation with children present has to exclude adult subjects so is quite limiting.
But I think it's more important that YOU know that that don't want this pattern to continue and that you stand up for yourself by acting on the fact that you're not interested in continuing a friendship in which there is always a little girl included in your outings. You are in your rights to say that this isn't the sort of friendship you are after, so please can Zoe leave it until she feels able to go out with you on your own.

AlligatorTears · 05/07/2025 15:12

I hate meeting up with my friends with children in tow (mine or theirs) as you absolutely can’t talk. There’s no way on this planet I’d take mine to a 1:1 meet up, and if for some reason I had no childcare and no choice I’d message my friend and tell them we need to rearrange, I’d never expect them to sit through a meal with one of my kids!

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

DeemonLlama · 05/07/2025 14:58

Think you did nothing wrong. Zoey seems very self absorbed and she may eventually get it but no time soon and probably not ever but in the future when she has no friends left because of this sort of thing and Cara has grown up and doesnt want to hang out with her mum anymore and Zoey gets lonely she may eventually get it. But then it will probably be too late as everyone will have moved on and be strangers.

Booboobagins · 05/07/2025 14:42

Im afraid Zoey is living vacariously through her DD.

It's sad.

The friendship has def ran its course. And sometimes we can't avoid hushed arguments in front of others. The fact it was in front of Zoes DD is really on Zoey, she should have moved you but her choosing not to is again so she can live the experience through her child when they eventually talk about it.

lessglittermoremud · 05/07/2025 14:37

I remember your previous posts as well and thought your friend was nuts.
You weren’t asking a lot, just a couple of hours of adult company.
Someone should have said something sooner, the spa day should have been the end of it.
Her poor husband trying to negotiate it and spend time with his daughter must get him down as well.
I love my children, they are funny, intelligent and fun to be with however I love to spend time with my friends and leave them at home with their Dad because for those few hours, i’m just me.

iamgoingthere · 05/07/2025 14:21

Not your finest moment saying all that in front of the 8 year old, but Zoe didn’t leave you much choice, did she? I would say it’s all on her.

8 year olds can be annoying tbf, but this child knows way too much. Asking you about your sister’s relationship is totally inappropriate behaviour. Again, this is on Zoe, treating Cara like her mini-me. I am interested in what Zoe’s relationship is like with her other child/children? Are they boys by any chance?

MinnieGirl · 05/07/2025 14:12

Has Zoey been in touch at all? Or any of your other group of friends?
I would send them a quick message - just to let you know had a big fall out with Zoey and I doubt very much whether the friendship will continue…. Just wanted to give you all the heads up.
No need to go into details, I’m sure they will all guess…and just make it clear you won’t be going to any meet ups with Zoey in the future.

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 14:06

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

The women concerned weren’t happy about it though. Doesn’t that matter? Didn’t they have a right to have lunch and drinks together in peace?

whynotwhatknot · 05/07/2025 13:30

i remember you0r other thread-the woman is insane-she doesnt listen she doesnt learn and shes going to be very lonely one day

cara sounds like a verruca salt in the making

maybe you shoujld message the husband and explain happened ina nice way ands that your sorry you wont be friends anymore but she needs to listen

zingally · 05/07/2025 13:30

Ah, I remember your post about the spa day a while back...
I think all this coming to a head was probably long overdue. I think a break from each other (and Cara) is for the best.

I went on holiday with a friend and her two kids fairly recently. Her DD was a pleasure to be around, but her DS was completely obnoxious the whole trip and put a bit of a dampener on it. It's unfortunate but true, not all things are for all kids.

Daleksatemyshed · 05/07/2025 13:26

Well there's her true colours @Letsblameitallonperi, Zoey can only imagine you're jealous you don't have a DC like hers, it can't possibly be that her DD has become an annoyance.
In the previous thread the give away for me was the spa saying no DC and Zoey asking why they couldn't make an exception, she really thinks her DD is so mature and special they should bend the rules for her. I'm afraid nothing you or your friends say is going to penetrate that level of enmeshment.

Tigergirl80 · 05/07/2025 13:08

I’m shocked she is still doing this after the spa day drama. 🫣🫣🫣