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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
RampantIvy · 05/07/2025 22:26

I think I might be tempted to make up some x rated stories peppered with a lot of swear words 😁

MrsRaspberry · 05/07/2025 22:12

Cut her off she clearly has no boundaries and cannot keep anything you tell her confidential..her kid is a prime example of that and she's immature to be discussing your personal chats with her 8 year old child. That little girl is more than old enough to know better than to roam around a restaurant pestering other diners and her mother is an inconsiderate prick to allow the kid to do it. Your friendship has clearly fizzled out and you no longer have anything in common. That child is a product of her mother's lack of parenting her child appropriately

Curly66 · 05/07/2025 20:43

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:30

I think you're unreasonable for not filtering yourself infront of children. Would you really sit their infront of an 8 year old and discuss your sex life, your relationship with your partner, how your boss is pissing you off and about your period, health issues, your family members cancer diagnosis, stresses in your life, whats happening in the news or an interesting true crime documentary you had seen recently

You’re totally missing the point 🙄. She wanted to see her friend, on her own. Just the two of them. Nothing worse than an entitled mother who thinks everyone loves her kids. They don’t, believe me

NattyFox · 05/07/2025 19:44

I think if you wanted to preserve the friendship you could have kept to simple, factual statements such as " I would have really appreciated an adults-only catch up without Cara here" and " I think that was a polite way of asking Cara to leave them alone."
It sounds like it got much more heated than that and you both said things which would be hard to come back from now.

For what it's worth though I think this woman does sound as though she has some serious issues.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 19:30

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

OP has spend plenty of time with her friend and her friend's daughter boring OP's arse off:

'I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.'

Friendships are supposed to be reciprocal and benefit both parties but everything has revolved around Zoey and her daughter.

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 19:07

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:05

Right back at you!! 🍑 🤬

🤣

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:05

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Arses.

Right back at you!! 🍑 🤬

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:04

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Do you want to translate that in something legible? More bullshit! 🐂💩

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:02

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

😲 what a nuts comment???
Christ Almighty, I'm glad I'm not your friend!!

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 18:32

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

I was under the impression that the idea is also to support each other through bad times. Seems like your idea of friendship doesn’t include that.

bakebeans · 05/07/2025 18:17

MyDadWasAnArse · 05/07/2025 10:11

I'm neurodivergent and as a little girl I was like Cara. My mum was the polar opposite of Zoey, as I was constantly told by my mum, Grandma and aunt what a nuisance, bad girl, cheeky little madam I was and asked "why can't you just behave!"

There's a middle ground with parenting in this situation.

Correct. If you read the post and the last one (if there is a link) you will see.
This lady has taken her 8 year old to a spa day with adult friends and doesn’t leave the house to meet up with her adult friends without her child.
I’m sorry but that is not normal and isn’t ’middle ground’
The OP mentioned she thought it may be due to husband not wanting to look after her but this is also not the case

Livpool · 05/07/2025 18:02

She sounds ridiculous.
if DH or le go out with friends then DS stays with the other one. He doesn’t want come out with adults and sit in pubs etc. and we don’t want him to

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:55

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Arses.

Ok. Her friend is (supposedly) intelligent enough to say she doesn’t want to meet without her child yes? That gives the OP the opportunity to not go.

Whatdoidotoday · 05/07/2025 17:54

Cara is going to have some severe mummy issues when she grows up.

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 17:51

Good friendships should be a mix of both surely? While it shouldn't be negative all the time it's not possible to be positive all the time.

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:46

Boring their what?

Arses.

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:46

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Boring their what?

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 15:38

I mean heaven forbid someone might want to talk through their troubles with someone that's supposed to be a trusted friend. Such odd and entitled behaviour these days 🙄

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Futurehappiness · 05/07/2025 17:23

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:36

I’d probably get more insight from talking to a brick wall.

She has seemed to take it in when people have raised it in the past but then turns it round that it’s actually everyone else who is wrong and unreasonable and I realised today she seems to think comments are from jealousy and she thinks her relationship with her daughter is something to be admired and aspired to.

I was going to give up but I had some great advice on the last post and when she said she’d meet me alone I thought I’d got through to her. She had obviously never intended to come alone in the first place.

I know it’s a horrible thing to say about a child and 8 is a difficult age, her daughter just isn’t pleasant to be around. It’ll be how she’s been brought up but she acts like she knows everything, interrupts, argues and gives her opinion on everything.

Zoey either tells her things about other peoples lives or she overhears but Cara asked me if my sister was still considering a divorce or if she had worked things out with her husband. I have never discussed this in front of Cara and I wouldn’t expect her to know or be interested about it.

I’m just glad I can have a rant on here because it’s hard to bring it up to other friends without sounding bitchy. I know one friend is a lot more sympathetic and she sticks up for Zoey and said we should all be a bit more understanding and patient and one day Cara won’t be interested in joining her mother and friends.

I was sticking it out waiting for that day to come but 8 is pretty old to still want to be tagging along and I’ve read posts on here about people taking their teens everywhere. I am done with it all now!

I actually think the stuff about Cara knowing about your sister's divorce may be the very very worst of Zoey's bad behaviour. If she disclosed this about your sister to her 8-year-old child - or even if she didn't take the utmost care to ensure her DD didn't overhear such sensitive info about another person - that is a horrible betrayal of confidence. It is down there with the 'intolerant child-hating bitch' comments as some of the lowest things you can say or do to a friend.

This is no friend of yours imo, it is up to you if you want to try to repair it but personally I wouldn't bother. She has shown her true colours.

I am sorry for you; but I am afraid I am even sorrier for Zoey's daughter and her future. Once her mother has driven all her own friends away she will be even more dependant on grooming her child as a stand-in friend. She is not pleasant to be around now and she will become progressively less pleasant as she gets older and is not taught appropriate behaviour. And 8 is not a difficult age.

Rightsraptor · 05/07/2025 17:22

It can be a difficult lesson to learn that not everyone thinks our children are as wonderful as we think they are. But it is a lesson that has to be learnt and Zoey should have learnt it years ago. For some reason she hasn't but that's not your problem.

I think you're just going to have to avoid her. I wouldn't actually block her, she might see sense one day, you never know.

RampantIvy · 05/07/2025 16:53

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

No she doesn't.
Are you Cara's mother?

CandelabraCat · 05/07/2025 16:48

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

You don’t sound remotely entitled or self absorbed to me - sounds like you’ve had the patience of a saint, but everyone has their limit! Good on you for speaking up for the women at the other table.

Fireflybaby · 05/07/2025 16:39

Ok, I have a few questions reading you message.

  1. Why has no one (you, her DP) been more blunt or direct with the fact that this meeting should definitely be child free because serios discussions need to be had. Maybe she she doesn't "get the message" if its only a suggestion or it is too subtle.
  2. Or maybe she got the message but indeed doesn't trust her partner with her daughter. Is there some fear, / worry she never shared with anyone about her daughter spending time alone with the father?
  3. Have you ever tried to tell her "look Zoey, I love your kids, but they're not my best friends, you are and I need your focus when we have serios stuff to discuss. And not be interrupted by a child. If she's your friend, why have you let your frustrations muster to the point you had to snap when she's done this before?

But yes, her behaviour is a bit weird coming to friends meetings with a child all the time. Maybe that should be something that needs exploring among friends. NTA

Furore · 05/07/2025 16:36

You have persevered with Zoey for a long time but is that because of the friendship group and keeping the group afloat.
I think the group will sit on the fence and you will have to organise your own meetups excluding her.
Id also advise as a pp did to put more effort into making individual friends via hobbies. You will probably find you make new friends more like yourself with your values.
An alternative is to get one of your friends to intercede on your behalf. But it probably wont be successful and would you want that. Cara will still come to the meet ups.

Nanny0gg · 05/07/2025 16:28

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

You missed this bit then?

'after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”'