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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Nantescalling · 06/07/2025 21:27

Then comes 'Life after Zoey' which should be more stress-free. Sometimes even best friends have to be demoted !

bakebeans · 06/07/2025 21:19

Lifestooshort6591 · 05/07/2025 15:27

You should not have said those things in front of a child. You are clearly not the friends you thought you were. When Cara wanted a pudding, you should have asked for the bill at the same time, paid your bit, and left. You already said at this point you knew the friendship was over so why hang around to get bad tempered?I really do not understand why people insist on flogging a dead horse. Shd is all about her children, you have no interest in children. Maybe you might be in different places in 5 years or more, but I do not see you rekindling this friendship after that lunch.

I don’t think you have read the post correctly or the previous one (if there is a link).
just to summarise, the friend ‘Zoey’ invites her 8 year old old to every adult meeting. Spa date, night out you name it.
OP has questioned is this normal. I am
someone with children and this isn’t normal

OP tried to arrange an adult lunch. The friend husband offered to babysit but friend declined.
The 8 year old was then found to be pestering other people having a bottomless brunch but toe mother said nothing.

Chinsupmeloves · 06/07/2025 21:09

Goodness, your friend needs to realise she can and needs to go out without DC. Oh my 8 year old wants to come, erm no Mummy is going out for adult time and Daddy is looking after you.

I have friends who are ruled about what their kids want to do so to go for a rare night out they don't come because DC doesn't want them to.

I'm a very loving Mum and DH a wonderful Dad but we need our own time with friends. A few minutes of please don't go is very quickly distracted with fun activities and good and next day they can't even remember you going out! Xxx

Laura95167 · 06/07/2025 21:00

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:15

Yes that’s the same person, I thought she might have learned from that but she just doesn’t care.

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

I changed my mind and I’m not going to block her but I am done with her. It will be awkward with other mutual friends but I think they are equally as fed up so it might give them a chance to be honest.

After the spa day there was another argument with her sister that she wanted Cara to be a bridesmaid at her wedding. Her sister wasn’t having bridesmaids as it was a really small wedding, Zoey wouldn’t give up and even bought a dress for Cara. She said she wasn’t going to the wedding but she did in the end when her other family stepped in.

It’s just not normal is it?! I don’t think she sees how weird and obsessive she is.

Bought a dress? Madness. Shes cookcoo

Laura95167 · 06/07/2025 20:58

Info: when you suggested some adult only time, did you specifically say - please can we meet without either of your children?

Because I think Zoe gets an inch and takes a mile. And unless you specifically said something like, i love your kids but could really use some time to talk away from little ears so when are you free to meet without the kids? I think she will have misunderstood, deliberately or inadvertently

Pessismistic · 06/07/2025 20:33

I would say you tried and it didn’t work out. I used to want this with an old friend but she always insisted on doing something with the kids I stopped trying. I would not block her but the chances of her reaching out are slim. You have every right to be annoyed you needed support and she chose to bring her nosy kid. It shouldn’t be oh Cara wanted to come it should be her alone or at least having the decency to say she’s coming. You’re not interested in her dd attending your meet ups so let this one go. She will probably regret it one day when her adult friends disappear and Cara is calling her names she’s definitely not going to want her mum around as she gets older.

Ladymeade · 06/07/2025 20:31

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:15

Yes that’s the same person, I thought she might have learned from that but she just doesn’t care.

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

I changed my mind and I’m not going to block her but I am done with her. It will be awkward with other mutual friends but I think they are equally as fed up so it might give them a chance to be honest.

After the spa day there was another argument with her sister that she wanted Cara to be a bridesmaid at her wedding. Her sister wasn’t having bridesmaids as it was a really small wedding, Zoey wouldn’t give up and even bought a dress for Cara. She said she wasn’t going to the wedding but she did in the end when her other family stepped in.

It’s just not normal is it?! I don’t think she sees how weird and obsessive she is.

She is batshit crazy and you are well rid!!

Givenupshopping · 06/07/2025 20:30

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

That's a ridiculous thing to say 'Citroenc1', the OP isn't self absorbed, nor entitled, she asked her best friend to spend some one on one time with her, as she needed to talk, having been through a horrible time lately, but instead of showing empathy, you choose to come on here and say something nasty? Your name isn't Zoey by any chance, is it?

MarioLink · 06/07/2025 20:16

Well done for saying something to her. I would be highly annoyed if I was on child-free meal out with my friends and someone else's child came over to our table to tell her stories! I would also be annoyed if I met up with my friend and they bought along their kids without it being obvious kids are invited. We have had this a bit with one friend and it changes the dynamic of the evening.

FeetLikeFlippers · 06/07/2025 20:01

I just read your update about an 8-year-old enquiring after your sister’s divorce - and then had to re-read it to double check that Cara really was the child and not the parent! WTAF????!!! I can’t stand it when people talk about stuff like that in front of their children, it shows a worrying lack of boundaries - not to mention self-awareness! And the fact that Cara thinks it’s perfectly okay to bring it up in conversation… It sounds like your friend has created a monster and I don’t blame you for wanting to cut her off.

riceuten · 06/07/2025 19:47

Leave her be. She only wants contact on her terms. She just wants you to shore up her prejudices and world view. You are unimportant to her, unfortunately - you could be anyone.

She may recant at some point so the door may be left ajar, but she’d need to initiate contact.

Buffs · 06/07/2025 19:34

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:40

I feel perhaps that your friend is not meeting your needs at this stage in your lives . You have a certain expectation of the friendship , you have certain things you want to do and discuss with your friend and you feel her child gets in the way . This is very common in friendships where one has children and one doesn’t . I think it’s unfair to say some of the things you said about her and her child , she’s obsessed with her child as a lot of mothers are , she might not be being the type of friend you want right now but she’s prioritising her child as she should and is being a good mother . Many mothers treat children like an inconvenience and try to go on living their lives as if they are child free , fobbing their kids off to every babysitter they can find, wasting their kids precious younger years by not making time for them , here’s a mother actually bringing her child along with her simply because she enjoys her child - that little girl will grow up knowing she is loved , valued and prioritised over and above everything . That is the way children should feel rather than mum was too busy hanging out with her friends to spend time with me . However I completely understand that if she’s not your daughter and you don’t want to spend your time hanging out with some kid . I’m sure you would feel very differently if you also had kids and yous all hung out together . But at this stage of your life it just seems yous are in different places . You’re prob right to be done with her as it’s sounds like your very frustrated and it sounds like she doesn’t make kid free time for you for whatever reason . Yea I didn’t feel you needed to manage her kid talking at the table , I’m sure it wasn’t a long time and if people want to get annoyed by an innocent child taking a few mins to talk to them that’s their problem . To be honest I feel sorry for Cara in all this, it’s not her fault her mother brought her along , it’s not her fault you’re having such big feelings about her , she shouldn’t be witnessing the two of you arguing about her presence as if she’s some burden and making her feel responsible for your big feelings , you are are grown adults she is a child !

This.

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:29

Blablibladirladada · 06/07/2025 19:28

You don’t like her anymore, maybe u DID but you do not now anymore.

Let it go.

@Blablibladirladada

who would like her now though?? She sounds sooooo dull.

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:29

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

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@Wearingmycrown

i don’t think so…
as I say Zoey and Cara are a great example of why the child free life can be so amazing 🥂

Blablibladirladada · 06/07/2025 19:28

You don’t like her anymore, maybe u DID but you do not now anymore.

Let it go.

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:28

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

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@Wearingmycrown

OP doesn’t sound resentful though, she naturally pissed off that her friend cannot go anywhere without her child especially given the past spa day embarrassment. This woman Zoey is heading for some
very lonely times ahead - never good to make motherhood your whole identity

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:22

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 18:39

I would just step back, she won’t always be this obsessed & Cara will one day not want to tag along on her mom’s social life. However, in the meantime I would attend the things you’re invited to minus the soft plays & the park, I’d be honest and say you don’t enjoy those meet ups. I wouldn’t instigate meeting ever & id only message if she messaged first. I’d concentrate making more connections with other friends because the truth is you are experiencing life differently. I think you’ve become resentful & this has been miss directed at Cara. She’s just a kid & your friend could be equally jealous of your childfree life. Maybe she avoids hearing about it because she’s not as happy as she wants you to believe.

@Wearingmycrown

”equally jealous” - what on earth has made you think that OP is jealous of her friend?? If anything this whole thing is a great reminder for us all to take today’s contraception if we don’t want a child 🤣 Zoey has zero life for herself and one day will be sad and lonely when Cara has flown the nest and she’s pissed all her mates off

Santina · 06/07/2025 19:18

Zoey needs help, she sounds like my DIL, she also needs help. Won't go anywhere without a child in tow. 🙄

GiveDogBone · 06/07/2025 19:17

You did exactly the right thing. Even more satisfying to know that on your last post all the MN man-haters blamed the husband for not stepping up, but now we know they were completely wrong, and its crystal clear exactly who was at fault.

Freud2 · 06/07/2025 19:15

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

No you're definitely not expecting too much. She seems to have zero self awareness and you should expect that Zoey would give you some time alone with her to discuss your concerns.

BruFord · 06/07/2025 18:48

I do feel bad for Cara because she will find friendships really difficult. Her mother will raise her to be entitled and she won't understand why people eventually will tire of her and avoid her. She will also be made feel guilty and wrong when she is a teen and wants to ditch her mum , I can only imagine how devastated Zoey will be.

I agree @Dontlletmedownbruce , this isn’t good parenting and I hope that Zoey’s DH steps in and says something before long.

KM123456 · 06/07/2025 18:46

You are correct to drop her. I feel sorry for her other child, who seems neglected. Is Cara the only girl? Why does her mother favor her so strongly?
Still, you can't fix this kind of broken. She will likely end up losing both kids andif her husband wakes upher marriage.

user1493559472 · 06/07/2025 18:44

You have done the right thing. I have a friend who is like that. She has 2 children who are teenages, when we have gone away for a few days, all she talks about our her kids, phones them all the time, sends them messages, wants to know what they are doing and where they are, she relies on her kids too much.
It's sounding like your friend can't cope without her child, also kids should not be going and talking to another group of women, she is a child and should act like a child and not a mini adult. They don't have a healthy relationship.

jannier · 06/07/2025 18:42

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Surely if you say to a good friend life's shit at the moment can we meet for an adult chat.....the friend agrees then turns up with child....it's the friend who's self absorbed.