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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

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TheWonderhorse · 05/07/2025 08:11

I find it a bit weird that you call her your best friend but clearly don't like her at all.

If you don't want to see her, don't. I don't understand why you're so angry, she's just someone you don't get along with any more.

She's not the sort of friend you want, and it seems that's mutual.

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:10

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:08

That’s not what I mean, I also don’t want my DC with me everywhere but threads like this bring out the hate towards DC and women with DC, especially since ‘Zoey’ apparently said OP was regretting her choices - the dog whistle on here for the child free to get riled up (understandably obvs)Granted it’s not been too bad yet but if it goes the way of similar threads it will get there soon enough, just as OP has planned no doubt.

*quote fail @TimeFliesin2046

ThejoyofNC · 05/07/2025 08:09

I don't think those people who never read the spa thread realise just how bad Zoey is. I can't believe you even entertained her after that tbh. It was about time you told her straight.

silkypyjamas · 05/07/2025 08:09

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Maybe because the 8 year old has been around adults a lot she mimics her mother’s behavior. I was a precocious child and distinctly remember being younger than 8 and involving myself with grown up conversations and once even gave advice to my mums best friend when she was going through a divorce which they laugh about now. I was an ear wigger and I suspect little Zoey was loving listening intently to her mum and friends disagreement. And kept her mouth shut to listen while quietly eating her pud!

ALPS100 · 05/07/2025 08:08

Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

That did make me laugh 😁

You are 100% correct IMO. Don't doubt yourself @Letsblameitallonperi . I would have been cheering you on if I was one of those ladies on the other table. Zoey lacks insight and boundaries and has made a rod for her own back

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 05/07/2025 08:08

That’s not what I mean, I also don’t want my DC with me everywhere but threads like this bring out the hate towards DC and women with DC, especially since ‘Zoey’ apparently said OP was regretting her choices - the dog whistle on here for the child free to get riled up (understandably obvs)Granted it’s not been too bad yet but if it goes the way of similar threads it will get there soon enough, just as OP has planned no doubt.

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AlphaApple · 05/07/2025 08:01

Pretty clear results from the poll OP. Don’t let Zoey take up any more of your head space. You have done nothing wrong and your home truths may help eventually!

RubyFlax · 05/07/2025 08:00

Honestly OP I think you deserve a medal for trying to keep this friendship going for 8 years.
I wouldn’t have. She sounds absolutely insufferable. Imagine being so self absorbed and tone deaf that you think any negative feedback is because people are jealous of your amazing offspring.

Don't waste any more of your time on it. Invest it in friendships which are more mutual and meaningful.
It sounds like you have plenty of other lovely friendships, but maybe even search out some new ones with people who are also childfree & have shared hobbies / interests. I say this someone who is childfree & has made some great friends through hobbies etc because your social circle does get smaller when all your friends have kids!

JustGiveMeWineNow · 05/07/2025 07:59

You are so not being unreasonable! Your friend has unfortunately been totally lost to motherhood🥲
Love my children but can’t abide having friend conversations in front of them. It is just stuff they should not hear. BF was here on Friday night and telling me something really important. Kids were warned not to come into kitchen for 30 min. Doesn’t mean I don’t love them but that was my friend’s 30 min as I love her too.
Hold your head high and carryon.

Usernamenope · 05/07/2025 07:58

Yeah, Zoey's behaviour is infuriating. I can't understand why she does it though. Surely anyone with a bit of self awareness would see that bringing a child to a spa day or a lunch with a friend who wants to discuss a difficult time they are having is inappropriate. She has friends so isn't socially isolated to know what is normal ir not.

Does she not trust her husband with his own daughter? Is the other child a son? I wonder what her relationship is like with the other child.

Shesellsseashellsnotinmystreet · 05/07/2025 07:58

I've had friends like Zoey. Unable to be anything but a dm. It's draining.. One friend our meet up coffees were stood in her garden next to the slide so she could supervise her nt dd who couldn't possibly play in the garden without her ..
Or at the play house doorway so she could help her manage the play house..
Dd was of school age...
Gave up and ghosted her after 8 years... I had dd's a year either side of her dd. Who managed a small garden without me.

HopscotchBanana · 05/07/2025 07:56

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:36

I’d probably get more insight from talking to a brick wall.

She has seemed to take it in when people have raised it in the past but then turns it round that it’s actually everyone else who is wrong and unreasonable and I realised today she seems to think comments are from jealousy and she thinks her relationship with her daughter is something to be admired and aspired to.

I was going to give up but I had some great advice on the last post and when she said she’d meet me alone I thought I’d got through to her. She had obviously never intended to come alone in the first place.

I know it’s a horrible thing to say about a child and 8 is a difficult age, her daughter just isn’t pleasant to be around. It’ll be how she’s been brought up but she acts like she knows everything, interrupts, argues and gives her opinion on everything.

Zoey either tells her things about other peoples lives or she overhears but Cara asked me if my sister was still considering a divorce or if she had worked things out with her husband. I have never discussed this in front of Cara and I wouldn’t expect her to know or be interested about it.

I’m just glad I can have a rant on here because it’s hard to bring it up to other friends without sounding bitchy. I know one friend is a lot more sympathetic and she sticks up for Zoey and said we should all be a bit more understanding and patient and one day Cara won’t be interested in joining her mother and friends.

I was sticking it out waiting for that day to come but 8 is pretty old to still want to be tagging along and I’ve read posts on here about people taking their teens everywhere. I am done with it all now!

Just playing devil's advocate, are you 100% sure about the husband (hear me out) because something you said early on struck a chord with me.

I used to be in an abusive relationship. And he was vile to me if he ever had to look after the children. He would snarl in my face at home that I wanted to have them, so I needed to take them with me. Out, in front of friends, they would ask me to dinners, spas etc, and how I always decline invitations and the bastard would say "I keep telling her I'll have the children whenever she wants, she needs to get out and see you all!" Making me look like I couldn't be arsed with my own friends, so I'd have to stand there and agree to go to dinner on Friday with Jane. Knowing he would then refuse to have them and throw things around when we got home, so on the Friday I would either have to cancel on Jane and look like I was avoiding her, or take the kids and lie that my husband had to work or was sick.

Maybe Zoey is just a dickhead. But it was when you said originally you thought her husband was controlling, and women have these senses. Then his performance in front of you about how he's so lovely and of course willing to have the children. Even down to the little shrug, like "see, we both know she's difficult, eh". The knowing looks mine used to give, as if I was the problem. I don't know. It's just something to consider.

silkypyjamas · 05/07/2025 07:55

👊Well fucking done!!! Omg you are my new MN hero. You and your friends have put up with this selfish behaviour for far too long. It’s got nothing to do with not having kids, I have them but no way would I do that to them when they SPECIFICALLY asked to have a private chat to my friend. I know you can’t stop going over and over and over it in your head now and are probably feeling pretty crap but I’d like to know what was she bringing to the friendship table anyway? It’s a shame when friends argue and ‘break up’ in many ways it’s harder than with a partner, but the stress of it you certainly don’t need. Sorry for your loss btw it’s a tough time enough without an 8 year old wanting to know all your business. Good luck

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 07:54

I don't blame for giving up on this friendship. She doesn't even sound nice but clueless, she said some really nasty things to you.

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 07:54

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Well if OP is just making this up, she is certainly playing the long game, as she wrote a previous post about Zoey and her daughter's behaviour months ago. You do know that troll hunting isn't allowed on Mumsnet? If you don't think the OP is a genuine poster you need to report to Mumsnet HQ.

The people supporting OP aren't child haters but people who recognise rude and entitled behaviour on the part of the mum. Zoey is just a bad friend, whether it's demonstrated by her insistence on bringing her daughter where she is obviously unwelcome or in other ways.

PhilippaGeorgiou · 05/07/2025 07:53

Okiedokie123 · 05/07/2025 00:53

YADNBU. I remember your previous posts too.
(possible name change fail reference @Letsblameitallonperi in your op that you might want to edit)
Z sounds exhausting and odd. I suspect that in a few years when C is a teen shes going to have a bunch of issues to deal with to do with C.

I suspect that the other child will also be presenting challenges when they get to see how differently they are treated.

Auroraloves · 05/07/2025 07:51

Im sorry you are going through a difficult time, how sad that your best friend could t support you.

as for telling Zoe some home truths, you deserve a trophy.

RubyFlax · 05/07/2025 07:50

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

Yes but the women on the other table clearly said something along the lines of I think your mummy wants you to go back over there. That’s the polite way of saying do fuck off and leave us alone.

The problem here is a parent who thinks the whole universe shines out of their child’s backside and that everyone else should to. She has zero self awareness that just because she adores her little princess that doesn’t mean everyone else does.

TimeFliesin2046 · 05/07/2025 07:47

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How does it make you a child hater if you do t want kids to attend every single adult meet up you have with friends?

I have three kids, I certainly don’t hate children, but I would hate being friends with Zoey and her insistence on bringing her kid everywhere, however inappropriate, and not realising when they’re annoying other random adults. I’d never let my kids do that either

FlamingoQueen · 05/07/2025 07:46

Well done you! I remember your previous post so am delighted to hear that you said your piece. She won’t realise it yet, but when Cara gets older and wants to be going off with her friends, or goes to uni, your friend will have no one left in her life.
Stay firm and don’t start talking to her. She can’t be trusted if Cara is asking you questions about things she shouldn’t know (it’s so abnormal and worrying that Cara is being forced to become a mini adult).

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 07:45

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 05:52

I disagree. The child is 8 and OP has never had 1:1 time with her friend. The friend is completely obsessed. I have made a friend with my DCs friends mother and we enjoy spending time together without our DCs who are only preschoolers. It's not healthy for mother or child to be joined at the hip.

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I agree. Zoey sounds as though she is one of those ridiculous and cringeworthy women who always say that their daughter is their best friend.

MondayYogurt · 05/07/2025 07:44

Kid is going to have a hard time growing up. Mother sounds completely enmeshed (?)

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thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 07:41

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

It didn't sound like the table of women welcomed the interruption by Zoey's daughter as one of them said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”. Precocious 8 year olds with pushy mums aren't normally universally welcomed when they try and butt in to private chats. A small toddler doing this is cute, an 8 year old less so.

I certainly wouldn't have let my children interrupt a party of adults as it's just rude.

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