I hate anti-vaxxers

You clearly havent weighed up the risks , as you only seem interested in death rates but none of the other seqaulae. Most of the information you quote clearly comes from tiktok or youtube antivaxxers .
Suggest you read this, it is 10 years old but it clearly lays out the diseases and the research laying adverse effects of vaccines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK190024/

The measles virus can’t evade the vaccine. It needs too many mutations. Whenever they try to mutate the bits that the antibodies bind to it stops replicating and becomes really weak so it isn’t likely to be causing any outbreaks.

Also, you can’t just pick a random denominator to work out fatality rate. That’s not how it works.

Of course I’m not an expert 😂 and who can be sure of anything? You weigh up your risks based on the the information you have and make a decision. That’s what we did and we are comfortable with that. You don’t need to agree with us but you should accept that it’s our decision.

OK. But you can’t expect anyone to take you seriously if you make wild evidence-free assertions.

And my question was vaccine-agnostic. Whatever your DS was vaccinated for, how can you be so certain that he would not have suffered worse harm from the disease?

You don’t have to answer, of course, but you set yourself up as an expert on this thread so you can’t expect not to be questioned.

Listen, I’ve tried to be reasonable.

I can’t be bothered to keep defending myself and my choices, or to go and fetch the data I’ve looked at. I’ve broken down the data a PP shared, that’s all I’m doing.

But just to clarify he wasn’t injured from the MMR because we stopped before then.

Maybe you can quote the data from your extensive research showing the evolution of strains that can escape the measles vaccine.

By what mechanism does the measles vaccine cause damage that the wild strain, if caught, would not have?

Why are you convinced that your child would have survived an infection with no disease injury or sequelae, if he was injured from the vaccine?

I don’t think it is more dangerous for everyone. I accept for many it’s not - but it is for some (like my son). When I analysed the data, I decided it’s not worth the risk for us personally. And I do think some newer strains are mutations and I do worry that vaccine evading strains will become stronger than the wild ones, a bit like MRSA.

Are you suggesting that measles is mutating sufficiently that it is evading the vaccine? I don’t believe there’s any evidence of that. If there was, new vaccines would be being produced and rolled out.

Also, why do you think receiving the vaccine is more dangerous than contracting the wild virus?

Because I do think that there is a correlation between the increase in vaccines given to children and the rise of autoimmune conditions/cancers.

I do know some viruses can switch on auto immune disorders but I believe this is largely due to over use of antipyretics and dysfunctioning immune systems.

Ultimately I believe that we cannot cheat nature and in many ways it’s a trade off.

I appreciate everyone is just doing their best and as I’ve said many times, I totally get it as I was pro vaccine until I had reason to question things, but I do feel there is a lot of scare mongering too and it was the fear that led me to vaccinate initally - had I initially seen the data that I found later, I probably would have questioned things.

Yes they are. Why either/or though?
Also a proportion of these increases are linked to viruses - another reason why it’s frustrating that some only refer to deaths in the acute phase of a virus as though long term impacts don’t matter.

If we’re honest many auto immune conditions and cancers are rising in children.. it’s a real concern. Arguably much bigger than measles.

This was increasing before the pandemic as a PP said, but there are a number of studies showing increased risk following a covid infection, especially in kids.

Absolutely not! That would diminish the role of parent even further into the hands of the state, which is all well and good whilst you agree with the vaccinations but it's a slippery slope.

My children are fully vaccinated and I am a huge advocate for vaccines but parents must be given a choice, education is key here especially in low uptake areas.

Measles = 0.2093% death rate in 1940 based on recorded infections.

Better estimate based on 5 million population of children in 1940 = 0.017%

I’ve said all I’ve needed to say on this thread.

Before that actually. Look at the data.

Yes Diabetes type 1 and DKA inccreased as a consequence of COVID!

I suggest that there is a strong argument for compulsory vaccination of children unless medically contra indicated

That’s really sad and I hope he’s okay now. Respectfully, we’re not talking about chickenpox, because up until recently the vaccine hasn’t even been available.

I am just breaking down the data the PP shared. As I said, this data formed part of the research I did to help me decide to stop vaccines for now and not to give my kids the MMR (considering one of my sons was vaccine injured).

Ps. Childhood diabetes is on the rise despite MMR.

But it is not just about death, measles and mumps can affect long term ie blindness and deafness, diabetes is a known consequence of mumps.
Then there is the immune amnnesia(orr the detox and you were so ignorant to call it) Children are 3 times (i think that is the figure i read) likely to die in the 3 years following measles.
My son's friend had a stroke at 6 following Chicken Pox, 50% of all childhood stokes are within months of Chicken Pox. He was paralized down his left side and had to learn to walk and talk again.

Oh and just to add, the data in 1940 says there were 409,522 reported cases. The estimated population of children in the UK in 1940 was 8-10 million meaning the infection rate was actually much higher and actual case fatality rate (CFR) - the true percentage of infected people who died - would be lower than what we can calculate from the reported data.

I have looked at this data on my own before and did the maths myself but since you went through the trouble of screenshotting it and posting it, I’ll share what I found.

The percentage of total deaths in 1940 was
0.2093%.

Please bare in mind this was 1940.

All this data did then (and still does now) is confirm that the MMR wasn’t a risk I wanted to take.

My DS has a cow's milk protein allergy. I still drink milk and eat dairy, while trying to find alternatives he can eat. (Vegan cheese is disgusting.)

At least this thread has reminded me I needed to book the appointment for DS's 1 year immunisations.

Here's some more screenshots.