I hate anti-vaxxers

Blimey! People on here really do get worked up over the slightest thing, don't they?

This isn't about me. All I did was mention that small pox was in natural decline before the jab was introduced. Surely we can all agree that's a good thing? Yet the responses I've had to a simple point have been frankly bizarre.

I'm outta here. Night, night!

Back to the original point. As clearly shown on this thread
YANBU

Respectfully who is stopping you answering a straightforward yes or no question? It isn't revealing private medical information. Unless of course, jumpingthruhoops is actually your name and someone could identify you from it. Even then, answering a hypothetical question about whether you would have been an anti-scientist in the face of a deadly disease and prevented your children from being vaccinated, is hardly some sort of national secret.

Respectfully, I'm not at liberty to reveal my private medical information to a bunch of strangers on the Internet.

That's my point: you unfortunately cannot rely on the likes of the CDC and WHO to provide impartial 'evidence' as they both have a vested interest in promoting the pharmaceutical product.
It's really not in their (financial) interest to acknowledge that smallpox was already in natural decline as the jab was introduced, as their primary aim is obviously to promote the jab.
So to get the full picture of what was happening back then, you need to seek out more independent sources.

Would you have taken the smallpox vaccine if you had been around when smallpox was prevalent or would you have relied on getting the disease and not dying from it so you would be immune from it?

Those who have acquired immunity to the disease naturally, ie, those in the community having had and survived the illness. Numbers were also going down due to better hygiene practices etc.

All of this information is widely available online.

Well, yes, a serious researcher would. Not someone just looking for a quick answer to post a comment in an online chat forum...

You mean people caught smallpox and either got immunity or died.

Eventually you are just left with a population where most of them have either had smallpox and therefore are immune - as other people who got it died. So the virus finds it hard to transmit as people are immune to it.

Can you imagine doing that with other diseases?

Let the disease rip, people catch it, and then either they survive or die.

It's an approach.

Or..and here's a thought We could give people immunity and then the virus eventually struggles to pass on as people are immune to. it.

When I do research on anything relating to my own profession I have learned that the first links that come up are more often than not the crap ones. I have to keep scrolling to find credible links, or if in doubt at least look at more than one source. I thought any serious researcher did that.

A bias towards pharmaceuticals? Towards evidenced medicine you mean?

What exactly do you mean by “natural immunity”?

What was your search term please? “Smallpox incidence history” does not reveal your NIH link.

a Google search to check. It's not my fault the AI bot is now the first thing to pop up!

It's a fucking nightmare

Google wants to be more helpful to the searcher. That's why they created this new AI. Makes it harder for people who needs to market on the internet. I received the warning last year.

By, credible sources, that obviously can't include the CDC and WHO as they will have a bias towards pharmaceuticals and not look at the whole picture.

The NIH document I referenced in a later comment mentions the decline and is, I believe, a more reliable source than both the CDC and the WHO, whose behaviour during the pandemic provides a good explanation as to why many people no longer trust traditional vaccines.

Oh, and I certainly do not 'rely on AI for my information'. Someone challenged my comment that smallpox was already on a natural decline as the vaccines were introduced. So I did what billions of people do in the world when they want a quick answer to something - a Google search to check. It's not my fault the AI bot is now the first thing to pop up!

OK love. Wherever it was, however it was happening, smallpox WAS already on the decline. That's all I said.
That's a good thing, right? To that end, I'm not sure what your argument is...

But, whatever, I've clearly hit some sort of nerve, so I'll bow out now. Have a nice evening.

I am frankly aghast at anyone relying on AI for their info, rather than checking their research findings are from credible sources. On a subject as important as vaccination where their own & other peoples' children's safety is at stake.

this is what you get from Google AI when you google can you trust Google AI

"This means it has access to up-to-date information and can search the web, but this doesn't mean it is always accurate. “The nature of the AI Overview means that the response will always sound right and provide related attributes, however users need to evaluate those results and sources to check it's factual."

You cant just state numbers were going down

What numbers were going down, when did they start going down 1800s, 1900,1950???????????????? what countries was small pox going down,
They were vaccinating since the 1800s before that they used variolation and other methods

https://www.cdc.gov/smallpox/about/history.html

https://www.who.int/news-room/spotlight/history-of-vaccination/history-of-smallpox-vaccination

While some European regions eliminated the disease by 1900, smallpox was still ravaging continents and areas under colonial rule, with over 2 million people dying every year. It took another 50 years to achieve global solidarity in the fight against the disease

Not disputing that. Just saying that numbers were already going down, so natural immunity would have also contributed to it being eradicated.

The first smallpox vaccine was in 1796. It took nearly 200 years to perfect vaccination and eridicate smallpox

So what?

A vaccine eradicates it completely, instead of it beginning to decline naturally in some areas.

If you think that that was as good as complete eradication via vaccine, there's something as deeply wrong with your thinking as the posters who believe that your body should be made comfortable while your neighbourhood is dying of an entirely preventable disease.

What are you talking about? AI merely searches for information that already exists on the Internet and pulls it into one succinct explanation.
Instead of badgering me, why not use the time to read the links that appear below the AI when you search Google, which will contain this exact information on small pox? There's a good one from the NIH...

its not a fact! AI is not fact!