I hate anti-vaxxers

Would you prosecute for any missed vaccinations or specific ones? How much proof of vaccine safety would you require before insisting they use the vaccine to avoid prosecution? I’d never willingly give any member of my family a covid vaccine, but I’m not an anti vaxxer in general. I’m just not up for vaccines that have led to proven deaths.

Nope, didn't say that at ALL. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

It doesn't take much for people to get offended on here. I literally posted a comment that small pox was already in decline as the jab was being introduced and some people have totally lost their shit. Wild!

So all science researchers around the world working at some of the most esteemed universities and other institutions are on the payroll of big pharma and can’t be trusted?

I think that’s one of the most offensive posts I’ve ever read on MN - and that’s a pretty high bar.

@cardibach Not all experts, no, far from it. Just ones who might be on the payroll.

Regardless of what any of us believe morally, we much always keep in mind that the business of healthcare is just that: a business. When people are/risk getting sick, they make money. If everyone on the entire planet woke up tomorrow and were in the best of health, the healthcare/Pharmacy industry would quickly go bust!

They are everybody's concern if those decisions can harm other people.

Antivaxxers put other people at risk through their own ignorance and/or stupidity. Parents who don't vaccinate their children (without any sound medical reason) should be charged with child abuse and prosecuted.

Which is why pumping money into vaccines seems like a really bizarre step for them to take. One would think the lucrative amounts they could make on curing people when they get these diseases is a far better business model than the relatively small return from making vaccines.

But it's not an 'idea', it is literally how business works!

Science is never settled, that's what makes it science.

@cardibach Not all experts, no, far from it. Just ones who might be on the payroll.

Regardless of what any of us believe morally, we much always keep in mind that the business of healthcare is just that: a business. When people are/risk getting sick, they make money. If everyone on the entire planet woke up tomorrow and were in the best of health, the healthcare/Pharmacy industry would quickly go bust!

@cardibach Not all experts, no, far from it. Just ones who might be on the payroll.

Regardless of what any of us believe morally, we much always keep in mind that the business of healthcare is just that: a business. When people are/risk getting sick, they make money. If everyone on the entire planet woke up tomorrow and were in the best of health, the healthcare/Pharmacy industry would quickly go bust!

The only reason people might have no faith in experts is because people spread the idea that they are all paid for and therefore compromised. The science is clear on vaccination.

others medical choices are none of your concern

I'm talking generally and, in reference to the OP, offering a reason as to why people might no longer have much faith in 'experts'.

I'm talking generally and, in reference to the OP, offering a reason as to why people might no longer have much faith in 'experts'.

You've provided a great example here of taking something completely out of context - you can't just pick out the one line that you want to substantiate your argument!

The FULL quote that you've taken that from clearly states:
"While the smallpox vaccine, developed in the late 1700s, was instrumental in the global eradication of smallpox, it's important to acknowledge that the disease had already begun to decline naturally in some regions BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented. This decline [so, BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented] was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns."

I don't personally know what led to such increased immunity within populations but, whatever it was, was happening 'BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented'.

I must admit, I'm finding this whole thread most bizarre. I made the simple comment that 'the disease had begun to decline naturally prior to widespread vaccination' and I've subsequently been questioned, challenged, asked to confirm my sources, even ridiculed by some, when surely the ONLY thing that matters is that the virus WAS already in decline. This is a good thing, no?
MN really is batshit sometimes!

We are talking about smallpox. I doubt there’s much of a payday in that vaccine these days.
Plus vaccination is settled science because of experts.

@cardibach Not all experts, no, far from it. Just ones who might be on the payroll.

Regardless of what any of us believe morally, we much always keep in mind that the business of healthcare is just that: a business. When people are/risk getting sick, they make money. If everyone on the entire planet woke up tomorrow and were in the best of health, the healthcare/Pharmacy industry would quickly go bust!

You've provided a great example here of taking something completely out of context - you can't just pick out the one line that you want to substantiate your argument!

The FULL quote that you've taken that from clearly states:
"While the smallpox vaccine, developed in the late 1700s, was instrumental in the global eradication of smallpox, it's important to acknowledge that the disease had already begun to decline naturally in some regions BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented. This decline [so, BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented] was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns."

I don't personally know what led to such increased immunity within populations but, whatever it was, was happening 'BEFORE widespread vaccination programs were implemented'.

I must admit, I'm finding this whole thread most bizarre. I made the simple comment that 'the disease had begun to decline naturally prior to widespread vaccination' and I've subsequently been questioned, challenged, asked to confirm my sources, even ridiculed by some, when surely the ONLY thing that matters is that the virus WAS already in decline. This is a good thing, no?
MN really is batshit sometimes!

Apart from the AI, did you actually read this?

This decline was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns.

Where do you think the immunity came from?

That's my point: you unfortunately cannot rely on the likes of the CDC and WHO to provide impartial 'evidence' as they both have a vested interest in promoting the pharmaceutical product.
It's really not in their (financial) interest to acknowledge that smallpox was already in natural decline as the jab was introduced, as their primary aim is obviously to promote the jab.
So to get the full picture of what was happening back then, you need to seek out more independent sources.

Well, yes, a serious researcher would. Not someone just looking for a quick answer to post a comment in an online chat forum...

Not 'insinuating' anything, thanks. It WAS on the decline. A quick Google search reveals:

"While the smallpox vaccine, developed in the late 1700s, was instrumental in the global eradication of smallpox, it's important to acknowledge that the disease had already begun to decline naturally in some regions before widespread vaccination programs were implemented. This decline was likely due to a combination of factors, including increased immunity within populations and changes in disease transmission patterns."

You're welcome.

Blimey! People on here really do get worked up over the slightest thing, don't they?

This isn't about me. All I did was mention that small pox was in natural decline before the jab was introduced. Surely we can all agree that's a good thing? Yet the responses I've had to a simple point have been frankly bizarre.

I'm outta here. Night, night!