I hate anti-vaxxers

I mean, you really aren’t concerned about your family if you don’t mind your kids dying of preventable disease 🤷‍♀️

IRL people do give a shit when one of their immune compromised relatives get seriously ill because of an unvaccinated person has been gallivanting around spreading their germs.

Adults with ’mouth ulcers’ risking babies’ physical and mental health - when that is the level of misconception it can’t be promising…

’feels’ versus herd immunity.

remarkable the pandemic taught most people the wrong lessons

Who do you think sets the national curriculum... Where they will be taught about vaccination.

Probably best to opt out of that too then, no?

My stepson is a staunch anti vaxxer. When my 4 month old was due his baby jabs I got inundated with stuff about why they're bad and one "article" was about how vaccination causes vot death. I ran everything through chat gpt which confirmed it was nonsense. Very annoying though cos its got my husband questioning if the mmr does indeed cause autism as all our kids are autistic

I feel the same, totally reckless people without a thought for young babies like yours. They all need their head examining putting their children at risk.

Read ‘The Herd’. A fictional book but based on facts. Then bloody vaccinate your children. Anti vaxxers putting their own children in danger are the worst.

I have a life long autoimmune condition provoked by the Rubella vaccine. I could argue it the other way. I am pro vaccine by the way. I am currently researching a family from the 1840s who lost infant children to whooping cough and measles.

I think more people would vaccinate if the NHS were honest that in some rare cases vaccines do cause unforeseen side effects.

I work in epidemiology. I'll try my best to explain. There will be another pandemic. And another. And another. The likelihood is that the gaps between pandemics will get shorter. This is because mutations of viral and bacterial zoonotics are currently outstripping our capacity to fight them. How is this impacted by anti-vaxxers? Because if your body is weakened by, say, having recently had measles, your capacity to fight a new and more deadly disease is reduced, possibly disastrously so. And trust me, what some of these organisms do to the human body would freeze your blood. Now apply that to a population and imagine thousands of people in this situation. There is no treatment because the disease is new. There is no vaccine because the disease is new. There is no herd immunity, acquired or assisted because the populace has contrived to weaken its ability to fight disease. That's what happened during the Black Death. Then, the populace was weakened by malnutrition due to the combination of a population boom and successive failed harvests. The disease wiped out half of Europe. Anti-vaxxers should be hated. They're not just annoying; they are a scourge on society and a threat to the wellbeing of us all. And it is always someone else that suffers. Someone who for medical reasons can't be vaccinated. Someone who has to nurse the numbnuts anti-vaxxers. Taxpayers who have to foot the bill fighting the problem you have caused. Now carry on telling yourself how clever you are.

I tend not to eat up everything told to me by the government and the scientists who they pay, people talk about getting misinformation on social media about vacancies but they aren't even doing their own research just soaking up what they're told by the government.

Anti vaxers always claim to be 'educated' when they actually can't understand basic science.

Eg they will list ingredients for a vaccine and not understand it or just google the words without knowing that the words are linked.

Silly example.

Chlorine is a highly poisonous gas, it was used in WWI to kill.

Sodium is a metal that is highly reactive.

You would think you would not want either in your body, but actually they combine to form salt, something we all need in our diet.

Then there is dihydrogen monoxide, it kills if inhaled and is used in nuclear power plants.

London and West Midlands you say? Immigration must have a role in this then, so possible lack of education/language issues.

It's all of our concern when our children are put at risk by others.

So you're just being goady.

Nah they go to school.

Don't use state education and state healthcare then.

Opt out of society.

also, lower numbers anti vaxxers have previously demonstrated the ease and lack of infection in their children simply as they were relying on everyone else being vaccinated.

they’ve talked about their experiences online and others have decided to do the same but that’s when the herd immunity breaks down.

i can see why Covid has led to more distrust; people don’t see that as the novel catastrophic event and virus that it was in relation to well established regimens of vaccination for other viruses. A lot of comment was binary on that. The reality was that it was a shite event and whatever anyone did to best manage it, it still was absolutely shite.

I would never vaccinate any child of mine. Hate all you want.

But don’t you understand? IndeedCoffee wouldn’t care.

Unfortunately too many people get their news from TikTok and will believe every conspiracy theory going.

I hope you home educate then. Selfish to impose those choices on other children.

The number of parents now refusing the school leavers vaccines is staggering, and curious when these children had their baby jabs. The meningitis ACWY is so important, as is the final tetanus booster.

I don’t know any anti vaxxers or if I do they don’t talk about it. I’d be interested to know what their thoughts were about the recent outbreak of measles in Texas where they have reported 753 cases, 99 hospital admissions and 2 child deaths. Those cases really seem to have focused the minds of some parents who have been rushing to vaccinate their children.

I have to be honest and say even though I’m a reasonably intelligent person I wouldn’t be equipped to understand scientific data in its raw sense so do rely on “experts” to translate it for me. I grew up in a family of Doctors and nurses so I’ve been lucky to have people on hand to explain aspects of it. How do these anti vaxxers manage to do all their exemplary research that they’re so proud of? What are their sources?

My children and I have had all the childhood vaccinations but never had flu or COVID vaccine and never will.

I read a thread on here recently. The op said “my child can decide for themselves when they are older”.

i was desperate to reply “here’s hoping they live to decide”