I hate anti-vaxxers

I also caught measles badly as a kid which left me partially deaf. But I WAS VACCINATED. People seem to forget it doesn't work on everyone. So by that theory if Id have passed on measles to someone else as a kid half the people on here would be baying for my parents blood and calling them all-sorts of names

My DD has had 4 doses of MMR now as each time she's been pregnant she shows no immunity to rubella in the blood tests so they jab her again after the birth.

It is our responsibility to have our children vaccinated to protect people like yourself. No-one here is saying that absolutely everyone should be vaccinated. They are saying that everyone who can be should be vaccinated.

The OP has clearly explained why people's choices are her concern. There is a measles epidemic due to people's refusal of the vaccine and her small child is at risk. If you think people's choice to refuse a vaccine trumps their social responsibility, then why not explain your thinking as to why? Just parroting soundbites that don't even apply in this context adds nothing to an important discussion. We need to understand people's fears in order to address or allay them so vaccine programs can continue to protect us.

I am actually sickened by this post. You should be so ashamed of your contemptible selfishness and ignorance.

In real life people are far too polite to respond when presented with Kate who informs them that Atticus and Hugo aren't vaccinated because they don't believe in putting chemicals in their bodies etc etc.

But inside they are thinking "you absolutely selfish and moronic melon".

DS caught measles when he was 10 months. Two months too young for the vaccine. Purely because of selfish imbeciles who only put themselves first.

That’s so depressingly selfish. I’m glad that so many other people are happy to think of you and your kids when they take the time to understand the value of herd immunity in protecting you from diseases that kept life expectancy way down in the past.

I don’t hate anti-vaxxers, but I wish they made decisions based on actual science, not cherry picked information and vibes.

"Feelies"??? Are you 15. Fuck's sake.
Stop getting your information from TikTok!!

Could I respectfully ask what it is about the measles vaccine you object to, medically. How did you balance the wider societal good with individual autonomy?

It's the same mindset as that Just Stop Oil idiot who fell off his bike and broke his leg badly. He was in hospital ranting about the vegan option he was offered . The photo he took showed him in an immaculate room, surrounded by tubes and machines and medical equipment that simply wouldn't exist without oil and the ability to make those products from it or using power produced by it . Absolute twats

Well I like smoking! It helps me sleep and stops me gaining weight. My granny smoked twenty a day and lived until 90.
Therefore I’m going to smoke whenever i want as my health choices are my business. If some gets cancer though passive smoking so be it, it my choice and my business

Obviously that’s parody but it’s the same argument anti-vaxers use

100% this

What about people like me who have suffered an adverse reaction to a previous (psychotropic) medication, and are now injured permanently with a movement disorder .. so I am now sensitive to medication side effects more?

Would that be deemed to be an anti vaxxer? I'm not anti medication per se, just as a result of what happened to me previously. I actually get very anxious at taking any new drugs 😞

Of course they are. If some numpty doesn't get their child vaccinated, there's a bigger chance that child can pass on devastating illness to another child.

I’m always confused by people not giving vaccines as big pharma and what’s in it
if your child then gets sick and ends up in ICU, are you refusing all medication there too? Or is it different as it’s not labelled a vaccine?

I haven’t had my MMR, I couldn’t have it due to an egg allergy as a child. Now I’m immunocompromised and can’t have it because of that, I need the herd protection

Yes, a GP I worked with, worked in Germany in the late 1990s.
A couple of his patients belonged to a religious cult which was rampantly anti- vaxx.
Their daughter ( brought up in the cult), became pregnant and caught Rubella in pregnancy and with the cluster of other unvaccinated people, including the daughter's husband, the child was born with profound and life- limiting disabilities.
The daughter and son-in-law left the cult but not before their child died of complications due to their disabilities ( flu).
So the decisions of the parents had direct and devastating consequences on their own grandchild.
This is a good example of how Herd immunity works and can be extrapolated to the greater population.

Because vaccinating your child against preventable diseases is a basic responsibility of parenting. Similarly to providing them with clothes to protect them for the cold. If a parent was an anti-freezer and didn't provide a coat in the winter because of some debunked 80s study that linked being too warm with autism, social services would be involved.

Lets not get into blaming immigrants for yet another thing - our vaccine take up for both MMR1 and MMR2 coverage rates are below the 95% target recommended by the World Health Organization.

But I do kind of agree with you - though if we are requiring vaccination of immigrants we should also require it of our own people, unless there are clear medical reasons for not doing it. There is an alternative to forcing people to do so. Make vaccination contingent on access to things. Your free chilcare is only available if your child is vaccinated. Allow venues and services to say that they require evidence of vaccination before children can attend. Then people are free to make their own choices, but at the same time they cannot complain if others choices to protect the group mean that they are denied things.

No, they affect others such as babies too young to get the vaccine and the immunocompromised. Vaccination programs often rely on heard immunity to stop nasty diseases such as measles.

others medical choices are none of your concern

@Ineedcoffee2021 You're wrong. They affect everyone.

Im glad we all have a choice as to what we put in our bodies

@Ineedcoffee2021 but we don't have a choice about contracting a preventable illness from an unvaccinated person.

My only concern is me and my family honestly. I wont do stuff to my body or my kids body for anyone elses feelies

@Ineedcoffee2021 It isn't about "feelies". It's is about preventing the spread of disease. You need educating about herd immunity. I won't put a link on here because I know you won't read it because you don't want to be educated.

I assume you never take your DC to see a doctor because you know better than a person who has spent several years to qualify as a doctor.

Did you fail biology GCSE?

Yes they are if it’s impacting on the health of others!

Why shouldn't they? By your logic about half of society would be excluded for one reason or another.

I have not spoken to a single person IRL that has admitted to not vaccinating themselves or their children. Not once. Given 5/6 people are fully vaccinated, it's absolutely not true that people don't care. The vast majority realise how important it is.

Then they’re idiots.

This has been debunked and Wakefield discredited decades ago.

There really is no excuse for this total lack of consideration

If your child dies of a preventable disease because you didn't vaccinate I think you should be prosecuted for manslaughter.

Children who aren’t vaccinated shouldn’t be allowed to use NHS services, or public schools/transport etc.
If you are willing to risk spreading illnesses that can kill, take the consequences.