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I hate anti-vaxxers

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An89 · 04/07/2025 02:33

How can anyone in this day and age be an anti-vaxxer? London and West mids currently suffering from a meassls outbreak. DS is under 1 so cannot yet have vaccine, I know of someone whose 10momth old contracted measels as they were too young for vaccine.
Ridiculous that reckless and tardy parents are putting all our children at risk. Actually terrible.

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Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 10:31

Stef3 · 04/07/2025 10:28

I always hear this and funnily enough I don’t have a single antivaxxer among the several medics in my family. My obstetrician was openly dismissive of antivaxxers (surprisingly!) when we were discussing the the roll out of the RSV vaccine.

Exactly! And when I was late for my vaccine (I'd actually been living overseas and had been vaxxed there) both times I saw a doc, GP & at hospital, I was quizzed as to why I wasn't vaccinated.

NO support at all for a possible anti-vaxxer.

Stef3 · 04/07/2025 10:30

MikeRafone · 04/07/2025 10:19

I know an antivaxxer who isn’t obese, yet is on weight loss injections while breastfeeding to lose baby weight

then they are not anti vax, they are literally having and taking vaccinations and picking and cooking which medications they use

WLI aren’t vaccines.

Cappuccino5 · 04/07/2025 10:29

DogCrew · 04/07/2025 09:04

With regards to the HPV vaccine, yes it only protects against some strains, but those are dangerous strains that can cause cancer. From what I remember, kids are given it in year 8/9 and many won’t fully appreciate the significance of it at that age, but that’s where I feel that a parent should strongly advise their 13/14 year olds to have it due to the possible consequences of not having it.

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I left the decision up to my DD - she decided not to have it and still at 21 would rather have younger, more regular smears than risk the side effects. This is simply what we feel comfortable with and to each their own. DD is someone who often has severe reactions to vaccines (her childhood vaccine schedule had to be altered due to this), hence she really only has the absolute essentials. I personally don’t feel that HPV is one of these, especially at that age.

Stef3 · 04/07/2025 10:28

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 10:17

No, they're not.

I always hear this and funnily enough I don’t have a single antivaxxer among the several medics in my family. My obstetrician was openly dismissive of antivaxxers (surprisingly!) when we were discussing the the roll out of the RSV vaccine.

princesspadam · 04/07/2025 10:27

Yep

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 04/07/2025 10:27

princesspadam · 04/07/2025 10:13

I would support moving to forced vaccination in childhood

i think people who choose not to vaccinate (ie not those with medical issues preventing it) are idiots

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Do yo include adults who choose not to have Covid or flu vaccines in that?

I have a needle phobia and having the Covid jab was a huge thing for me but I felt I had to because of the pressure. I had one booster and haven't had one since. Thankfully I'm not in one of the eligible groups so aren't being pushed.

Cucy · 04/07/2025 10:27

I agree.

But I do think people should have the choice over what they do with their own bodies.

However, I don’t think this should extent to children.

I think it’s awful that these people care more about their conspiracy theories and ‘sticking it to the man’ over the health of their own kids.

I still don’t think they should be forced to have their kids vaccinated but they obviously lack basic parenting skills and so should be supported by social services.

Superger · 04/07/2025 10:24

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 04/07/2025 09:58

Not this again. You do realise people cough for reasons other than Covid? I'm coughing pretty much continuously at the moment - it's hay fever. Am I meant to stay indoors until it goes? I remember being told on here in 2020 that I should stay at home in case I scared someone. I really thought we'd moved on from that.

Agreed.
In young children asthma often presents as a cough too. not necessarily as a wheeze at first. A fact I’d like more teachers to know, incidentally.

CommissarySushi · 04/07/2025 10:20

Davethebroom · 04/07/2025 09:49

Neglect is a word that can be manipulated.

Sounds like you just want to neglect your kids and for nobody to be able to intervene tbh.

MikeRafone · 04/07/2025 10:19

I know an antivaxxer who isn’t obese, yet is on weight loss injections while breastfeeding to lose baby weight

then they are not anti vax, they are literally having and taking vaccinations and picking and cooking which medications they use

Ribecx · 04/07/2025 10:19

tamade · 04/07/2025 04:06

It is a problem of their own making (UK Gov, NHS, manufacturers, SAGE etc).

Like it or not the approach taken during COVID had the effect of splitting society into two groups, the majority of people who "go along with it" and a significant minority who "don't like being told what to do". Each group have their various mythologies for why they are more noble. But I think it just comes down to different personalities/character and reaction to the pressure.
Therefore if the national approach to COVID had been different we would probably be better on vaccine uptake generally in 2025.

All that matters is how things are addressed moving forwards and how health education can be improved. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Goditsmemargaret · 04/07/2025 10:18

Ineedcoffee2021 · 04/07/2025 03:04

others medical choices are none of your concern

What a load of bollocks. Of course infections diseases are everyone's concern.

AnxiousOCDMum · 04/07/2025 10:18

Tryonemoretime · 04/07/2025 10:01

We don't have polio etc in this country because enough people give the vaccinations to their children to result in herd immunity. Photos of children in iron lungs make us realise how important vaccinations are.
I'd love to have the Covid vaccination again, but the last 2 affected my heart so the dr agrees i shouldn't have it. Others who can have it - please do. There are probably a number of us who are unprotected, and herd immunity might keep us alive and well.

Sorry what? You wish you could have another Covid vaccine despite the fact that it affected your heart and you’ve been medically advised to not have it, but you would like others to take it for you despite them having the same risk? How does that make you any less selfish than an anti vaxxer?

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 10:17

southerngirl10 · 04/07/2025 09:21

A lot of anti vaxxers are doctors

No, they're not.

Stef3 · 04/07/2025 10:17

Agree OP.

I couldn’t live with myself if anything happened to my child because of complications of a disease or illness I might have prevented by ensuring they’re vaccinated. It’s a risk I am not willing to take.

I know an antivaxxer who isn’t obese, yet is on weight loss injections while breastfeeding to lose baby weight.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 04/07/2025 10:17

Ineedcoffee2021 · 04/07/2025 03:15

You know you would interact daily with unvaxxed people

Literally the only place i see this hate for the unvaxxed is online, IRL, people dont give a shit

Im glad we all have a choice as to what we put in our bodies

this is so not true it's laughable - except its not actually funny to be putting vulnerable people at risk because you think your 'online research' is more reliable than decades of actual scientific research and data.

Slightyamusedandsilly · 04/07/2025 10:16

TheNoonBell · 04/07/2025 09:19

The pushback would be massive if you blocked one in four adults from the NHS and travel. You would possbily see an insurgency or open rebellion in some areas.

I do not think the unvaxxed make up 1 in 4. There honestly aren't that many idiots around.

I don't have anyone in my social circle that is anti vaxx. I only met ONE fool (at work) who was anti vaxx and he also believed in the 5G idiocy.

You want to opt out of society. Opt out.

MikeRafone · 04/07/2025 10:16

yeah, im with you

if my granddaughter gets ill she has seizures, some last 45 minutes and can end up in picu, if the a&E staff can't stop the seizures as they have to put him in an induced coma. He is under 1 and this could easily kill her.

Small pox has been irradiated due to vaccinations - if the vaccination hadn't have been developed and issued then approximately two hundred million people would now be dead.

EllieEllie25 · 04/07/2025 10:15

janeandmarysmum · 04/07/2025 10:09

I remember having measles when I was little (I'm an oldster). I was so unwell - hallucinating at one point, my fever was so high. I was looked after at home. I cannot imagine the impact on the NHS should there be a measles outbreak or, heaven forbid, an epidemic. We aren't used to coping with these horrendous diseases with really major symptoms at home - our medical facilities would be overwhelmed.

Yes measles is a really hideous disease and people have forgotten. The NHS will be absolutely fucked if there’s an outbreak.

To the posters saying their vaccination decisions are none of anyone else’s business - the decision not to vaccinate is the same as you saying out loud to every parent you meet, wherever you go, “I don’t give a fuck if your baby dies because of me”. It’s not about feels, it’s about causing harm to others through your choices.

Iamtarticus · 04/07/2025 10:13

I gave my dcs all the jabs going and paid for chicken pox and meningitis. I refused covid jabs for them though. Am I an anti vaxxer?

princesspadam · 04/07/2025 10:13

I would support moving to forced vaccination in childhood

i think people who choose not to vaccinate (ie not those with medical issues preventing it) are idiots

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jandalsinsummer · 04/07/2025 10:12

My kid got measles at about 10 months old. This was years ago.

Some idiot took a knowingly measles exposed but unvaccinated kid round his nursery including the baby room!

He was a friendly little chap so was the first to get it, GP insisted we go to A and E (wrong decision we waited outside!) very impressive public health response followed. As well as the largest measles outbreak for a few years I think!

Candlemidnight · 04/07/2025 10:12

I'm just going to post this again

RFK Jr praises anti-vaxxer hours after attending funeral of 8-year-old who died from measles

A child who died from a disease that they could have been vaccinated against

Candlemidnight · 04/07/2025 10:11

Ineedcoffee2021 · 04/07/2025 03:15

You know you would interact daily with unvaxxed people

Literally the only place i see this hate for the unvaxxed is online, IRL, people dont give a shit

Im glad we all have a choice as to what we put in our bodies

No we do judge those who dont want to take advantage of not going blind or deaf or infertile or losing limbs or dying for their children

I mean I totally do - anyone who doesnt have a valid reason (unable to for medical reasons, I have a friend who reacts to some of the carrier ingredients in vaccines so has to be careful, and have their jabs in hospitals in case of reaction) is basically stupid. So in that case, its a little natural selection - hopefully they wont take too many people with them.

RFK Jr praises anti-vaxxer hours after attending funeral of 8-year-old who died from measles
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/rfk-jr-anti-vax-measles-death-funeral-b2728812.html

Aiono Professor Alec Ekeroma, Samoa’s Director General of Health: “We cannot and should not stay silent. We know what this appointment means. It means more platforms for anti-vaxxers and less funding for vaccines and health programmes. It must be treated as a threat to our health security.” The Guardian, 11/25/24]
Hawaii Governor and ER Doctor Josh Green: “As both a physician and Governor, I’ve seen the devastating effects of misinformation about vaccines. During a measles outbreak in Samoa, RFK Jr.’s rhetoric led to widespread fear, causing many to avoid vaccinations. Tragically, 83 innocent children lost their lives.” X, 11/15/24]

https://www.protectourcare.org/experts-say-deadly-samoan-measles-outbreak-caused-by-rfk-jr-s-disaster-visit/

Before the measles vaccine was invented in 1963, millions of people died every year from this horrific illness. More than 500 children per year in the U.S. were its victims, and that doesn’t count the tens of thousands of hospitalizations with terrifying side effects, including life-threatening and life-altering welling of the brain. As Dr. Samuel Katz, a pioneer of the first measles vaccine, once said, “You don’t count your children until the measles as passed.” Do we really want to go back to waiting to tell people how many children we have until they’ve all survived the measles?

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/5157915-anti-vaxxer-movement-health-risk/

SandyLanes · 04/07/2025 10:10

Ineedcoffee2021 · 04/07/2025 03:21

My only concern is me and my family honestly
I wont do stuff to my body or my kids body for anyone elses feelies

Good luck to your kids with a parent like you guiding them through life