I hate anti-vaxxers

Thank you for explaining. My point still is, that there is no way of determining whether you can safely have the vaccine or not. There have been many reports of adverse affects, some leading to death. It’s entirely reasonable for someone to not want to take that risk.

You'd be surprised, COVID vaccination is 75% of UK adults, there are many silently unjabbed as well a small vocal minority which is what you term antivaxers.

You do not propose opting out, you propose locking out which is an entirely different thing.

I am deaf because I caught measles at 6 months old. Obviously, from an unvaccinated person. It's completely impacted my life from education, career, relationships. People are selfish twats.

That’s not true. Infectious diseases are only kept under control and epidemics prevented if the take-up of vaccines is at a certain level.
From the World Health Organisation:
"The percentage of people who need to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity varies with each disease. For example, herd immunity against measles requires about 95% of a population to be vaccinated. The remaining 5% will be protected by the fact that measles will not spread among those who are vaccinated. For polio, the threshold is about 80%."

No, I don't hate anti vaxxers. I hate the aggressive, belligerent and small minded attitudes of some on here, but I don't think these individuals tell the whole story. Many anti vaxxers are refusing due to fear and suspicion. Sometimes based in a historical context where their demographic was experimented on, or where they believe research has not taken account of health issues effecting people from their group. This is understandable and isn't addressed by scolding, shaming and hating, but by reassurance from trusted sources.

Flu or covid vaccinations could be seen as a matter of choice for your children.

Anyone not giving their child the standard childhood vaccinations is a different matter.

Its ok to practice your uneducated google conspiracy theories on yourself but to impose them on your children is abuse in my opinion and putting the general population at risk.

My mother was left deaf and partially sighted due to contracting measles as a child. This impacted her entire life and she felt passionately about vaccinations.
I also have a friend who for medical reasons hasn’t been vaccinated, she benefits from societies herd immunity. To be honest if I knew any of my friends were anti-vax I wouldn’t be able to continue that friendship. Purely because after watching my mums struggles I wouldn’t be able to understand them putting their own children at risk.

When it comes to infectious diseases and the loss of herd immunity, yes they fucking are.

The issue is that usually adults (who ironically come from generations with high vaccination rates) make those decisions for their children. If it was about vaccines that are given in adult age I would agree.

I obviously didn't word my pp very well. I'll try again.
Bearing in mind the millions of Covid vaccinations given out world wide, few people have had a bad reaction to the Covid vaccination. Unfortunately, I'm one of them. For the vast majority of people, the vaccination safely prevents them having Covid or mitigates it and it also helps with herd immunity.
If I hadn't had a bad reaction to the last 2 Covid vaccinations, I'd have happily had further vaccinations - partly to help protect me from having Covid badly, and partly to aid herd immunity. (I had Covid before my vaccination and have been left with Long Covid. If I could safely have the vaccination, I'd certainly want to help others avoid Long Covid. It's affected my life and the lives of my family, too.)

I once heard that if you choose to not vaccinate that if you get ill from that disease that you should then foot the bill rather than the nhs.

While half of me agrees, the other half says where does it stop, not eating enough veg / smoking / drinking all these things affect health and could be payable too.

The only reason people can say "I care only about my family and that's why I won't vaccinate" is because most people don't and herd immunity is still working. If everyone decided the same... We would be back to hundreds of thousands of cases and hundreds of deaths a year (+ thousands of lifetime effects of he illness). And that's just measels.

Having a choice to not vaccinate (without need to have x kids so at least few survive to adulthood) is one of the biggest misguided privileges there is imho.

This nails it.

I know it’s ridiculous, my absolute hate is when ppl say my kids haven’t had any vaccines and they r fine. Yes. They’ve luckily not caught anything coz the rest of us have vaccinated our kids ! Stupidity at its best

no no no..... they study at Google University, and thats where they get their PhD from!

I mean, a few days in front of the internet and we are all experts

If DD got it she wouldnt be going out

And how would you organise that, considering that measles is contagious 4 days before the rash appears?

Agree with this.

in Liverpool there is a measles outbreak- my DS has been vaccinated but hearing people who are anti-vaxxers is enlightening and depressing at the same time.

My Nan nearing died from diphtheria and my dad’s cousin caught whooping cough as a baby from her older brother (before it was vaccinated against) and became disabled due to lack of oxygen. It’s horrible that anti-vaxxers want us back in that place. Maybe they don’t understand how debilitating and deadly these formerly eradicated diseases were.

You can still get shingles even if you’ve had the vaccine. Given you have had shingles so many times already, you are likely immuno compromised in some way so I would be very careful

You’re a bad mum, just as long as you’re ok with the fact you have truly let your children down. I’d be horrified to know someone like you. Your poor circle.

Sorry but this is bollocks. I won't have the flu etc jab because it makes no sense - other than financially for drug companies. How can you protect against a mutating virus. For that same reason I never had the covid jab. I haven't had a day off sick for over 15 years. Never go to the doctors. Everyone I know who has the flu jab gets flu every year (and talks about how much worst it would be if they hadn't had the jab). Everyone I know who got the covid jab got covid really badly and two have had heart problems.

When the Polio vaccine etc came in people who took it took it hoping they would be protected - not that the whole society would somehow be protected. Dead virus vaccines I'm ok with - and all my children have had these. Gene therapy vaccines (MRNA) not in a million years. Plus you do know most cases of measles etc in the UK are brought in from outside or are vaccine related strains.

Plus why are vaccines the only drugs we cannot sue manufacturers for if they go wrong or if there is negligence?

She probably won’t care, and just sit happily with the knowledge that her own child is less likely to be infected with a fatal disease precisely because other parents did bother vaccinating their children. It’s an unspeakably selfish, entitled attitude to have.

You can't fight stupidity. Why even bother to try.
If they want to inflict suffering on their children (& themselves) by ignoring modern medical advances, fine. More for the rest of us who can use our intelligence.

You believe in state overreach in some areas- drunk driving- and not others, despite the fact that communicable diseases kill far more children worldwide? Yes, that's inconsistent.

Surely if you have any concern for your own family you’d vaccinate them against a disease that is known to cause disability and even death.

DS is fully vaccinated but I’m not. My parents were far from anti vax but one of my childhood vaccines put me in intensive care on a ventilator and they honestly thought I’d die. After that I didn’t have any childhood vaccines. Both my siblings are fully vaccinated.