I hate anti-vaxxers

DS has just gone travelling and he's had the recommended vaccines for the area he's going.

I wonder if people who are opposed to vaccines are prepared to take the risks when travelling to foreign countries with different public health systems and that are potentially less sanitary than the UK?

I think this is probably true. I was grateful for the vaccine and last year also paid for a booster jab, but I’m aware that many people did have reactions and there was quite a lot of hysteria around it at the time where people felt forced to take a booster when their body hadn’t reacted well to the first one.

I also think that the circumstances of lockdown with people being isolated from society and more attached to the internet meant that a lot more people got caught up in conspiracy theories.

Oh here we go, someone who doesn’t understand the difference between not liking something and a genuine phobia. They were out in force in 2021.

As the Covid jab won’t prevent me getting it or spreading it and there’s no herd immunity then the only person I’m possibly affecting is myself.

I am absolutely not anti vax but choose not to put myself through unnecessary vaccinations when they won’t affect other people. There’s a huge difference between measles, polio etc. and the Covid vaccine

I know that there's currently a big drive trying to get the Muslim community vaccinated here. Because they think they all have pork gelatin in, they have never been vaccinated. They used to, but most newer vaccinations don't have pork in them now.

I agree with this. Education is key about what these diseases can do as is honesty about limitations of vaccines, inc. how long they last. E.g. some countries provide a booster to older children for whooping cough as that wanes over time. A number vaccinate against chickenpox. I guess it’s a balancing act on cost etc, but there’s a tendency to look at hospitalisations and deaths only, or let kids get more ill than they need to as a weird rite of passage here. We let a novel virus rip through kids here before many of them were even eligible for vaccination and hugely reduced our vaccine offer and eligibility quickly in relation to other countries.

The last ONS survey (2024) on long covid in kids showed that an average of 1,000 children per week got long covid in England, yet they’re told to attend when contagious. As well as the impacts on kids, they also don’t live in a bubble and literally hundreds of thousands of people have lost their health and had to stop working due to long covid.

My kids are vaccinated. However, I don’t believe in forced vaccination or forced infection.

Do you not understand how vaccines work for contagious diseases. Herd immunity is our friend.

Same for me, but where I am chickenpox is covered. We weren't here when my kids were little so when we moved they had to have all vaccines 100% up to date before they could step foot in school, nursery, holiday camp and even university. Mine had had chickenpox but we either had to prove this through doctors' notes or get the vaccine

The following is from www.gov.k and I hope you find it reasurring re the possiblity of polio infection from water sources in the UK.

The detection of a VDPV2 suggests it is likely there has been some spread between closely-linked individuals in North and East London and that they are now shedding the type 2 poliovirus strain in their faeces. The virus has only been detected in sewage samples and no associated cases of paralysis have been reported – but investigations will aim to establish if any community transmission is occurring.
The last case of wild polio contracted in the UK was confirmed in 1984. The UK was declared polio-free in 2003.
Dr Vanessa Saliba, Consultant Epidemiologist at UKHSA said:
"Vaccine-derived poliovirus is rare and the risk to the public overall is extremely low"

others medical choices are none of your concern

I think of it like seatbelts. It may be that you don't think your kids should wear seatbelts. But as a society, we don't feel you have the right to be that lacklustre about caring for your kids, so we insist on seatbelts for all kids, whether you like it or not. The idea is that no kids should be put at risk by their parents.

Thank you. I was injured by just a week on a first generation typical antipsychotic called Pericyazine that was prescribed off label for severe anxiety and insomnia after a head injury.

My movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia is a bit like Tourette's and Parkinson's disease combined, and is horrible. The impact on my life can't be understated, and I rue the day I took thd drugs a decade ago.

If I'd known how I was able to metabolise the stuff, I'd have never taken the drug. A pharmacogenetics test that I paid for subsequently showed I can't safely take anything like antipsychotics.

If vaccines save lives, that is marvellous. I'm not against any of this at all. I'm just sad for those who are harmed by the drugs meant to help. Until you have lived with this type of medication induced injury, you don't understand how awful it is 😭💔

I remember when I came to UK not long after there was measles outbreak in my area. I had to check 3x if it really talked about UK. Couldn't comprehend developed country having these issues having grown up in post com country with no vaccine - no state school unless medical exempt...

Your own children are at so much more risk from this than strangers on the internet.

At least think of them when you are making medical choices.

Recent detection: In 2022 and 2023, vaccine-derived poliovirus type 2 (VDPV2) was detected in sewage samples from London and other areas, leading to a vaccine-catch-up campaign for children in London.

^ the risk at the moment comes from the vaccine.

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I think people are so removed from seeing people with long term implications of catching these diseases.
My grandma has measles as a child and poor sight and a turned eye, affected her all her life, she was so self conscious wouldn’t have photo taken plus needed thick glasses. You also used to see people dragging their leg with built up shoes from contracting polio.
My dc is currently abroad at a summer camp working and all staff and kids need to be vaccinated.

There was no whooping cough vaccine when I was a child and I think I was about 6 when I caught it and was seriously unwell. Luckily I did not have to be hospitalised but I can still remember how unpleasant and scary it was. Why risk putting your child through a nasty illness at best and something that could really damage them at worst. I caught it again in winter 2024 and was ill for a month and left weak and tired for quite a while afterwards.

As long as we don't need to pay taxes and are not subject to your laws then that's fine.

What is known, however, is that the risk of vaccines is less than the risk of the diseases themselves. There’s no way of determining whether your kid can ‘safely’ have measles etc if there’s an epidemic.

I also have auto immune disease, and a link between vaccines and the increase in cases is being researched. I have chosen to vaccinate as the more immediate consequences are far worse from out of control disease.

unvaccinated individuals put others at risk, end of. Maybe look at how smallpox was erradicated to help you understand what a boon vaccinations are. Smallpox was eradicated through a global, decades-long effort focused on vaccination and surveillance-containment strategies, culminating in the disease's official declaration as eradicated in 1980. The success of the eradication campaign was largely due to the discovery of the smallpox vaccine by Edward Jenner in 1796 and the subsequent implementation of widespread vaccination programs and targeted containment strategies. Now have a think about polio, Cases of polio in the UK fell dramatically when routine vaccination was introduced in the mid-1950s. There hasn't been a case of polio caught in the UK since the mid-90s. But the infection is still found in some parts of the world, and there remains a very small risk it could be brought back to the UK. I had the polio vaccine when I was very small and I can remember seeing children older than me who had contracted polio and who had damaged limbs. Parents were beyond grateful when the vaccine was developed.

How dare you, the unvaccinated person who gave me measles at 6 months old and robbed me of my hearing is absolutely my concern you fool.

We just need to keep these people away from normal society.
No NHS, No schools, No care homes, no you can't use the library / police / local pool.

If they don't want to join in and take care of society by getting standard vaccines - fine. Fuck off then.

Why do you think there is a difference in yours and your sister's health?

The same could be said about my brother and I, he has never been in hospital, never had more thana cold.

I have a list of chronic conditions as long as your arm.

The only difference between out vaccinations is that I had rubella and he didn't (it was only given to girls at the time).

I don’t hate them per se, I just hate how preachy (& a bit stupid) they are… fine if they want to believe the conspiracy bull shit (although some of it could actually turn out to be true), but why do they need everyone to know their thoughts feelings so much? Like posting aggressive stuff on social media constantly. You don’t see ‘pro-vaxxers’ going on and on about their viewpoint and using derogatory language, they just seem more live and let live than anti vax morons.

I think there's still negativity and false information circulating about MMR and links to autism. My son had the MMR and he's on the way to being diagnosed but I guarantee he was always going to be this way, vaccine or not. I flagged up concerns with my HV at 8m before he had the jabs. I had them too and I'm not autistic