I hate anti-vaxxers

What makes you think you know it all? Very ignorant comment.

This is the problem.

You've got selfish dimwits who don't understand herd immunity or the concept of living in a cohesive society.

They want all the benefits of herd immunity without having to burden themselves with the risks involved with vaccination which, whilst tiny do exist.

They don't care about the immuno compromised. They don't care about anyone by me, me, me. Truly amoral people.

I don't think they should be forced to be vaccinated. But I do believe they and their germ laden sprogs should be excluded from schools, public buildings etc.

They've got no interest in making the world safer for the rest of us so why should they get to live alongside us?

I agree with this; unless there are actual medical reasons for not vaccinating. It is outrageous that these ignorant fools with their attempted sarcasm about feelies [shudders at awful term] are allowed to infect and affect us and our children with their uninformed, misguided nonsense because they think they know better.

It's this kind of utter BS that I find so depressing. Look up herd immunity, educate yourself.

Agreed
And the results of the poll imply many agree.

Of course they should. But they must also accept the consequences of their actions. I lean towards the requirement that children must be immunised to access childcare and school, unless there is a medical reason why they cannot be immunised. Certain imms, such as HPV, could possibly be optional, as HPV does not cause the same life-threatening epidemics as other infectious diseases. But diphtheria, whooping cough, mumps, measles and rubella should be a minimum requirement.

An anti-vaxer choosing not to protect their children would have to accept the consequence that they cannot access childcare out school, in much the same way that as anti-maskers had to accept being turned away from shops and other services during Covid.

@ukathleticscoach

"Flu or covid vaccinations could be seen as a matter of choice for your children.

Anyone not giving their child the standard childhood vaccinations is a different matter.

It's ok to practice your uneducated google conspiracy theories on yourself but to impose them on your children is abuse in my opinion and putting the general population at risk."

I agree with your post. But what I find completely illogical is that more parents rushed out to get their children the Covid vaccine than vaccinated their children against chickenpox. The under 21s are the lowest risk category for COVID yet around 20 children die every year from chickenpox.

www.nursingtimes.net/public-health/chickenpox-factsheet-on-nursing-childhood-infectious-diseases-17-03-2025/

Also whilst the number of children dying per year fell during the pandemic years, the number dying since the end of the pandemic has risen sharply. Whilst the cause is complex, one of the reasons is long term illnesses going undiagnosed during the pandemic:

arc-w.nihr.ac.uk/news/child-mortality-has-risen-since-pandemic-new-study-shows/

Should anti vaxxers have bodily autonomy not to have them though?

Good grief, that’s a horrific thing, but very common. It a bit like the ‘I’m doing this birth alone in a field with nature’ brigade. Yes because you’ve forgotten what the reality is for many women.

Anti vaxers are deluded.

@HelenaWaiting

"@1dayatatime I've read some nonsense in my time, but this takes the biscuit. Defining the difference between a vaccine and a jab? "Jab" being slang for an injection has no medical definition. None whatsoever. You can be vaccinated against some diseases, you can be inoculated against others. You can call either or both "jabs" if you like, but it has no medical meaning. Stop peddling nonsense."

Perhaps I worded it poorly in non medical terminology but I was trying to differentiate between a one time vaccine for something like a polio that offers long term protection and greatly reduces prevent transmission as well as preventing paralysis etc and the "flu jab" that doesn't provide long term protection, doesn't prevent transmission but greatly reduces the symptoms if you get it. But the flu virus mutates every year meaning that it has to keep being updated meaning annual "annual flu jabs". Covid is the same and has to be updated annually

Unfortunately because both are lumped under the name "vaccine " there are many who wrongly believed the "covid vaccine " offered long term protection, one time treatment as well as preventing transmission. This message was encouraged at the time.

Unfortunately this meant that many of those who eagerly signed up to the COVID vaccine expecting long term protection and prevention of transmission became disillusioned when this turned out not to be the case. This in turn led to a push back against all vaccinations including those that do offer long term protection and prevent transmission.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/08/nhs-doctor-challenges-sajid-javid-over-covid-vaccination-rules

It was Grex

That poster wasn’t me. I was replying to an antivaxxer.

But the automatic assumption by another poster was that my parents had screwed up.

But you stated your parents got you vaccinated, so they had the best of intentions and tried. Sometimes with the best will in the world things go wrong. My point was that if a parent DELIBERATELY doesn’t vaccinate a child that then goes on to develop a disease that has devastating consequences then that’s obviously a situation that is completely different from yours, so I think you were being a little harsh with your reply.

sorry, quoted wrong person. This is meant for @Fundayout2025

Now!!! Back in the days of single jabs it was a 93% protection rate. Meaning 7 out of every 100 kids got it. Fortunately most people were aware then it wasn't foolproof and consequently less judgemental

You’re making a hell of a lot of assumptions.

You can believe I’ve left my children in pain and discomfort if you wish, I know the truth.

I also know the truth about what injury my son sustained from a vaccine and I also know this was confirmed by our GP.

And the wonderful thing is, I don’t need medical training to make the determinations I see fit. Thankfully, this country allows parents to choose and I have made an informed decision along with my husband.

My children have navigated many normal childhood illnesses with lots of love and care, we take time off to be with them and rest - you’d be amazed at how quickly children bounce back letting fevers do their jobs ans not plying them with calpol so they can get back to school and we can get back to work. We also work very hard to be able to afford to give them as much of a healthy lifestyle as possible. I am grateful and pray, and will continue to pray, that they stay healthy and thriving, God willing. I am hopeful that with the right choices my sons injury will resolve in time. I am not willing to take a risk to cause more harm or injure my other children.

You seem very hateful and full of resentment - shame there’s no vaccine for that, but a healthy life style can do wonders for general mood.

This will be my last post on this thread as it’s just silly to keep explaining myself.

Wishing you all well 🙏🏽✌🏽

But it does happen( neither of my brothers caught from me) but you shouldn't be having to make a point of saying " despite vaccination" to get the baying mob off your back.

Maybe other people people need to think before jumping to conclusions

I don't see why anyone would have an issue saying "despite being vaccinated she's got measles".

I've had to do that numerous times with my youngest DD as her condition means she just gets no immunity from things (she's had chicken pox four times for example). Other parents I know from the support group do the same - in fact you get used to it because you have to be clear about it in medical settings to make sure they don't put things she's been vaccinated for lower on the list of "wtf is going on with her" list.

I also happily say "despite being vaccinated" as it shows people that vulnerable kids are still vulnerable no matter what we do and herd immunity is so important for them.

It's vastly more common to get permanent deafness from measles when someone is unvaccinated than when they are vaccinated only 3% even get a mild case of measles who have been vaccinated. You simply can't prevent people from making an assumption based on the 99.999% likely scenario unfortunately. If you're worried about people thinking they were idiotic, then you add "despite vaccination". Or you decide you don't care.

You have no qualifications to make those determinations though because you don’t have medical training. You say that 3 children, the oldest of whom is 13 have only ever had medicine once each, and don’t need doctors? That’s very interesting because upthread you were claiming they were vaccine injured and diagnosed as such by doctors. So which one are you lying about? If your 3 children’s sum total of medicine is 1 dose of Calpol and 2 doses of antibiotics collectively throughout their whole lives and they are tweens, we can be fairly certain that you’ve just left them unmedicated through pain and discomfort. That’s not something to boast about.

I wonder if the anti vax would still be anti vax if their child had a gene mutation that could save their child’s life with a gene therapy vaccination of a virus and gene therapy?

given a choice of go home with your baby but they will die before they reach 2 years old or they can have these vax and live

Quite so, @sashh. The first rubella vaccine was licenced in 1969, by the time I was a teen thankfully girls were all being vaccinated. But when I was in primary, before the vaccine, people would hold ‘German measles parties’ to try to expose kids to it. Obviously that was all people could do then but it was very hit and miss, clearly not a methodology that could be relied on. Anyone blathering about ‘allowing everyone’ to catch it and develop natural immunity is simply woefully ignorant, however much ‘research’ they may claim to have done.

But it does happen( neither of my brothers caught from me) but you shouldn't be having to make a point of saying " despite vaccination" to get the baying mob off your back.

Maybe other people people need to think before jumping to conclusions

I was told of 2 cases involving rubella in pregnancy with not great outcomes sadly, but I can also see how rubella is a mild illness in itself and it would be better to allow everyone to catch it and develop naturally immunity.

I think that is the most stupid thing I have ever read. I was born before the rubella vaccine.

My mother's cousin had a little girl who was ill, when she took her to the doctor he diagnosed 'German measles' i.e. rubella.

My mother's cousin burst in to tears and the Dr told her not to be so dramatic, it's a mild illness. She wasn't crying for her daughter who was crying for my mother who was pregnant with me and who had spent the day before with the little girl sitting on her knee.

My mother had to have gamma globulin injections. She had no way of knowing whether I would be healthy or not as there wasn't ultrasound scanning.

Can you imagine carrying a baby for 7 more months not knowing whether it will be healthy or disabled?

In some ways my mother was lucky in that she found out she had been exposed, but a lot of women were not.

Ok, that wasn't clear. It's rare to get measlea after vaccination and the vast majority of cases are much milder, so your case is unfortunate and very unusual. The majority of people wouldn't ask why you have partial deafness. If it's mentioned, then it is possible to say "measles despite vacicnation" instead of "measles" and I'm not sure why you wouldn't?

But my parents didn't screw up as you put it..This is exactly the point. They did get me vaccinated. But as you've proved then people automatically jump to " kid has measles , parents didn't get them vaccinated"