I hate anti-vaxxers

I am truly sorry that her child has suffered, but I am afraid that I am bothered about other people's choices when they directly put my and other people's children at risk. I should not judge her as a person, but I do judge those choices.

BTW regarding life experiences: my DS was born premature and disabled, if had caught a preventable disease (eg by an unvaccinated person visiting the neonatal unit) he would certainly have died being an extremely vulnerable baby. As mentioned above he was born at the height of the MMR scandal and we were very worried about the risk to him and discussed potentially safer ways of doing it.

But there was still no question of him receiving it. I did actually think about the risks to others as well as him if he wasn't vaccinated - not to boast, as I think it is completely normal to care about others as well as yourself & your own loved ones. So decisions are not made based solely on one's own life experiences.

And the more you know about something, the more you know that you don't know.

I have a good science background and medical background - but I know that the more I know about immunology, the more I don't know - as that was not my area of expertise. People who have spent years in immunology are the people who I trust to have the expert knowledge.

And being an expert immunologist does not make someone an expert in say cancer. As an expert immunologist would tell you.

World leading expert. Planning on starting a consultancy business based on my extensive knowledge.

Are you an expert on Dunning Kruger now?

@sleepwouldbenice true. But smoking is not permitted within public areas and you would hope parents are not exposing their family to first or second hand smoke. There are ways of vastly reducing this that I know they are taught when having a child. My point is that we don’t segregate care given or access to public services based upon self inflicted or family inflicted causes. I would rather though have no unvaccinated child around mine in nursery/school/gp waiting room etc. More so than a smoker but still how can you do for one but not another?

I had to research, erm I mean Google randomly (unlike anti-vaxxers who “research” everything so carefully and scientifically on YouTube 😬) what Dunning Kruger Syndrome is and oh my good god that is most definitely a Thing and one that I see every day! Thank you for introducing me to that. It’s brilliant.

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The poster had a bad experience with vaccines and her child still hasn't recovered from the sounds of her post. We all make decisions based on life experiences. My children were fully vaccinated but I won't get myself all bothered about someone else's choices.

I can see that the lives of children who have been harmed by vaccines don’t seem to matter much or be acknowledged in this thread. Some children do die or suffer severe, life-altering reactions from vaccines — this is a fact.
Although these cases are often dismissed as a minimal fraction, for a mother who loses her child, it is not minimal.
Stop hating mothers who choose not to vaccinate.
Vaccinate your kids and they’ll be fine. Be vigilant and protect those who can’t yet be vaccinated due to age or medical reasons, until they can receive their shots and stop this pro vax bully culture.

There is no point arguing with posters like these is there? They don't have any valid arguments, all they have is repeating themselves, personal insults or flouncing off the thread.

For what it is worth I am not aware that there is a single credible case where a vaccine has been proven to have caused a child's death - proven, not presumed or accused of having caused it. Correct me if I am wrong though; like most reasonably intelligent people I accept I can sometimes be wrong, unlike terminally stupid people who are utterly convinced they are always right.

There is a difference between an opinion and a mere notion; a few posters on here can't tell the difference. I support vaccination of children - including my own, vulnerable, child - based on the expert medical info and advice available and the statistics showing the success of vaccines in reducing disease, as well as the historical and anecdotal evidence that confirms these.

So now you accuse the OP of trolling her own thread, with a personal insult thrown in?

I haven't seen any posts on here that are hateful, other than from anti-vaxxers. And you have explained yourself only too well, but posters are rightly taking issue with your explanation.

I am 'full of resentment' actually. You explain your credentials here for being a good parent by describing the love & care you lavish on your children (all half decent parents do that btw, you don't need to explain to us how children bounce back from illnesses as if we wouldn't otherwise know - though sadly, occasionally they don't).

Despite claiming to be a good parent you are failing at the most basic level of care by not getting them vaccinated, despite the fact that you seem to have no medical advice or recommendation for doing this and despite the fact that you presumably received these vaccines yourself as a child. So you are denying your own children the protection you yourself enjoy, and you are relying on the rest of us to protect your children through getting them vaccinated.

But they put others at risk of harm too
Like smoking
Its vile

Trouble is they have dunning kruger syndrome going on, too ignorant to know they are being ignorant.
It is actually scary how they believe they are right , but dont understand the very basics of the illnesses and vaccines and how they work and no common sense.

How about telling your facts to the mothers of vulnerable children who have died after catching infectious diseases from other children who need not have caught and spread them if they had been vaccinated?

@BitOutOfPractice agree. I think there should be some consequence too like @Pipsquiggle suggests but what can you realistically do that doesn’t disadvantage children who would be suffering through no fault of their own but rather their parents poor choices and lack of scientific intellect. And we don’t tax other choice related illness eg. You have a heart attack- did you eat foods that were known to increase coronary artery disease risk. Whether obese or not, because many people think if you’re fat you are automatically carrying risk factors for illness which is not true, much more likely yes but some obesity comes with no increased health risks. Some normal weight individuals have high cholesterol through non familial
factors etc. smokers are the highest risk of all acquired disease same with some high risk sports enthusiasts, you ride horses/ski/motor sports. All risk of fairly high tariff injuries through choice. The differences with that is that they may influence their children through their lifestyle choices but don’t actively put them at harm as much as non vaxxers. Australia do have some areas that will not register non vax children with gp’s/schools etc. I don’t hate it but I am conflicted see above.

The problem with that is that it will isolate even further the children of the people with these views in homes where lord only knows what other craziness is going on.

@DucklingSwimmingInstructress Are you really proposing banning the unjabbed from using the internet?

No internet too then, right?

Vaccine injury is so rare it is cannot be diagnosed by a gp.

So your children have indeed been ill and you think your supposed “love and care” and praying replaces appropriate pain relief? We have a name for that. It’s neglect.

I am neither hateful nor full of resentment. I am frustrated that ignorant people like you abuse their children by denying them potentially lifesaving healthcare.

They did their basic studies at the College of Twitter/X then got their medical degrees at the University of YouTube

So what do you think herd immunity is and what are the advantages of it?