I hate anti-vaxxers

The lies are absolutely ridiculous. Your son is allergic enough to nuts to need an epi pen. Right. Is this the child that’s so healthy he’s only ever needed a single dose of calpol, or are we supposed to believe he’s the one who’s only ever needed a single dose of antibiotics? 🤣 Or is he the one that’s so healthy he’s only ever needed a single dose of antibiotics but you also claim is vaccine injured…..?

Assuming what you have said was true about him needing an epi-pen: so, it’s fine for him to be injected with a substance to protect him if he comes into contact with nuts, but not for him to be a injected with a substance to protect him if he comes into contact with a potentially fatal disease…..?

Exactly. Given that peanuts are deadly allergic to some, those who believe everyone should vaccinate themselves to protect those vulnerable absolutely should advocate for all peanuts to be banned - what compelling reason would there to be to not ban peanuts? Is a bag of peanuts worth a life? And what next - eggs, dairy, sesame….

For what it’s worth my son is actually allergic to nuts and must carry an epi pen. I don’t expect people to stop eating nuts. I believe the onus is on us to keep him safe to the best of our ability.

Yes, especially if you have 2 or more kids .I believe there are some hidden fees in this, my friend spent more than a month looking for cheapest option , £94 for a shot.

Just googled and it's £75 per dose, so £150 as you need two. Lots of people can't afford that!

Utter rubbish. Diseases don't tend to kill everyone who catches it (I survived COVID, but I'd had three vaccines and have what I consider a very good immune system, but still felt dreadful for a week.) I seem to fight off colds before they even begin sometimes, but the third time I get it. Meanwhile, in the real world... Measles used to kill a hell of a lot more people than it does now. I am not risking it. Anyone having a bad reaction to vaccines is a shame, but things like that happen. Some people are deadly allergic to things like peanuts, there aren't anti peanut groups (that I'm aware of) trying to get people to stop eating peanuts.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013

You can do it privately, however veeeery expensive and two shots needed.

And if they catch it as an adult, they are even more likely to be seriously affected.

Do the NHS do chickenpox vaccines now? Wasn't an option when my kids were young

@cardibach

Sorry- typo / brain fried after hosting a children's birthday party today!

Should have read:

"It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against chickenpox "

@1dayatatime
It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against COVID
Sorry? I don’t understand what this means.

@JohnnysMama

"I can see that the lives of children who have been harmed by vaccines don’t seem to matter much or be acknowledged in this thread. Some children do die or suffer severe, life-altering reactions from vaccines — this is a fact."

Yes it is that some children do die or suffer severe life altering reactions from vaccines. But equally it is a fact that some children do die or suffer severe altering reactions from viruses such as mumps, measles, polio or even chickenpox that could have been prevented with a vaccine.

What you have to look at is what is the risk probability of suffering a severe/ life threatening reaction to the vaccine versus what is the risk probability of sufferers a severe/ life threatening reaction to the actual virus.

For nearly all childhood vaccines the risk probability of the actual virus is far far greater than the vaccine. And you can easily get the data on this. The one exception I would make was giving children covid vaccines when the under 21s were at a very low risk from COVID whereas the risk probability of giving children a very new vaccine was quite high.

It amazes me how so many parents rushed to get their children COVID vaccines yet failed to get children vaccinated against COVID.

If COVID vaccines for children was such a great idea then why is it no longer recommended?

You didn't vaccinate your first child and you were lucky and they didn't catch it now they are old enough they might not get xyz badly of they get it. But your baby catches it from your first child and dies, just get them vaccinated as soon as possible.

Of course they are you ignoramus.

I can see that the lives of children who have been harmed by vaccines don’t seem to matter much or be acknowledged in this thread.

Of course they matter! None of us want anyone to lose their child or for a child to be harmed - that's the whole point of vaccinating.

Some children do die or suffer severe, life-altering reactions from vaccines — this is a fact.
Although these cases are often dismissed as a minimal fraction, for a mother who loses her child, it is not minimal.

Undeniable. But the fact that it's a minimal fraction is important. All medicines have potential side effects and dangers. And we are a society. None of us live entirely independently of each other. None of our decisions are made in a bubble.

Stop hating mothers who choose not to vaccinate.**

Not hating. Judging.

Vaccinate your kids and they’ll be fine.

Not true. As I posted earlier, my fully-immunised dc caught mumps in a preventable mini-epidemic. I also know a teenager who had measles as a healthy 6yp, and became T1 diabetic 6 weeks later. He, too, was fully immunised.

I don't hate the parents who chose not to vaccinate their children, despite the harm their choices did to my dc, but I certainly judge them.

Be vigilant and protect those who can’t yet be vaccinated due to age or medical reasons, until they can receive their shots and stop this pro vax bully culture.

Vigilant! How? People with viral illnesses are highly infectious before they show symptoms! Or do you propose we bring back quarantine for all their siblings and contacts?

You surely can’t be claiming that measles outbreaks are being caused by the vaccines?

My DS had his first febrile seizure within weeks of his MMR. He went on to have over 25 right up to the age of 13. It was obvious that it wasnt caused by MMR as my DSIS and DM and even my DGM had abnormal history of Febrile Seizures , we now know my family have milder form of GEFS+.
Back in the late 60s when my DSIS had FS neither she nor I were allowed to have the measles vaccine in the catch up programme. We both caught measles , i was really ill for a couple of weeks. Measles ruins the immune system for upto 3 years and i was very ill with chronic tonsilitis over the next two years with weeks off school, i eventually had my tonsils out.

They are my concern when they affect my children.
I had to make the decision on whether to risk vaccinating, knowing that a high temperature could put him in to a life threatening status seizure or risk him getting measles etc. (This was at the height of the autism conspiracy stuff).
He ended up having to stay in hospital for 24hrs after the vaccinations

They are if they increase the chance of your own child getting severely ill or dying.

Yes they bloody are when they are putting others at risk.

The chance of getting an illness from shedding is incredibly rare, unlike when the wild disease is rampant, but somehow it is seen as much more dangerous, really doesnt make sense.

Not going to get dragged back into this but I just wanted to point out if you’re having chemo, you’re told to not have contact with anyone who’s recently had MMR or any live vaccine because they SHED. Someone recently vaccinated could pass on measles and end uo passing it no differently to someone unvaccinated who had the wild strain (although as I said, in recent outbreaks it’s been the vaccine strain that is circulating).

So forget immunocompromised kids then? The mothers who watch their kids go through chemo and then lose them to whooping cough or measles because the tiny chance of having an adverse reaction outweighed the fairly large chance of catching a communicable disease in someone else's tiny mind, they don't matter I suppose?

Or are they supposed to live in a bubble?

Call ahead when they have to visit the hospital to check that no idiot has suddenly changed their mind about trusting the NHS and taken their sick child to infect everyone else in A & E?

I think it’s clear they don’t give a shit.

Which bit. I’ve said lots of things. Most of it is probably settled science among experts in that field.

Which is why people from one area of medicine/science are careful when they interpret papers from other areas of medicine/science. Because you need to know what you don’t know before you start.