I hate anti-vaxxers

I couldn't be bothered her response ignored that post and she gave a simplistic answer. Do you watch the news or read newspapers? The NHS is failing and all the doctors demand is more money.

i know OP - sone people are so stupid arent they - the whole 'what i put into my body has nothing to do with you' is just so irresponsible - my cousin almost DIED of measles because my aunt felt the same about being anti-vaxxer - as in he was in a coma/ICU and almost DIED - she doesnt feel the same now safe to say thank god.

Why are you posting the exact same thing multiple times? One woman dying is statistically insignificant. What country are you posting from?

I am not trying to knock the NHS but it's not fit for purpose. Unless you can explain to me why it is. I have found another example, a young woman died at 25 from cervical cancer. She asked for tests but was denied because she was under the age of 25. She ended up paying for her own smear test privately but it was to late.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-38589542

It's always shocking when people die young, and while covid certainly contributed to this in recent times, it's important to remember that young adult deaths were a tragic reality long before the pandemic, as were child deaths. Before modern medicine, countless lives were lost to diseases like cholera, gangrene, measles, and smallpox. Beyond infectious diseases, a myriad of other factors contribute to early deaths including heart issues, strokes, cancer, meningitis, sepsis, pneumonia, and accidents.

Life is inherently full of risks, and it's crucial to understand the actual cause of death rather than oversimplifying complex situations. While it's natural to seek clear patterns, taking perspective from the actual causes of death is more helpful in understanding the world and the risks it holds.

That's a different situation. He didn't fall down dead on the pitch which was what I was talking about.

And as I said there is enough money in football for all players to have an echo, not on the NHS.

@bruffin er your friend who died had a congenital heart problem, he might have appeared healthy but he wasn't.

100% agree I’ve had several male friends in their 40’s suddenly die after to Covid jab.
I know someone who was very ill for two years after having it, but even she despite her illness from the jab still gave it to her children

An MI in a 20 year old is exceptionally rare. I doubt any country is screening for that.

Otherwise cardiac screening is available free here
https://www.c-r-y.org.uk/

This is incredibly sad, but we must not forget the 2.8 million cancer checks that were done or the 320,000 people treated for cancer each year.

My mother would still been alive to meet her granddaughter, if her gp had screened her 6 months earlier. In and out of the doctors she went and was fobbed off - that was 29 years ago and she died 27 years ago

I am not trying to knock the NHS but it's not fit for purpose. Unless you can explain to me why it is. I have found another example, a young woman died at 25 from cervical cancer. She asked for tests but was denied because she was under the age of 25. She ended up paying for her own smear test privately but it was to late.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-38589542

I dont get your point. Are they supposed to test everyone for every congenital outcome just in case. How do you know thst its not something that develops suddenly and no amount of testing will pick it up. The footballer you mention had blocked artery which was not congenital.

My point is the NHS wouldn't offer it anyway. The only way you will ever understand your body is if you paid for a private test.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cy0jj4j8v82o

Depends.
A friend died in his sleep aged 20 back in the 80s. It was found that he had a genetic heart defect, they tested his sister for the same defect straight away. He had been perfectly healthy all of his life.

also back in the 70s a young lad walked off the pitch at my secondary school and died from a heart attack.

I remember a fit footballer had a heart attack on the pitch live on Tele. The NHS won't check for any possible underlying issues in any of their patients unless necessary because it would cost to much money. I am not knocking the NHS but they are struggling and they don't have the money.

Sorry but no you didn't.

There have been cases of professional footballers having a sudden cardiac arrest.

This is normally an undiagnosed cardiomyopathy

There is a campaign to have young athletes screened with echocardiogram. That is not the NHS's job. Football clubs make enough profits to pay for the screening.

For all people who are saying its no one else's business if they immunise their kids, it really is. Herd immunity is SO important. Especially for those who legitimately cannot have the vaccine or are too young.

Prior to the recent Alder Hey death, rhe last death from measles came from complications from when a child caught it when too young to be vaccinated. Her parents are strong advocates for getting vaccinated as herd immunity would have likely prevented her getting it.

When you chose not vaccinate your kids, its not just your own kids health you are risking.

tough on their kids, what sort of education will they get from people who don’t/cant’/wont’t understand real research and statistics?

I suspect that the vast majority of anti-vaxers will find that their commitment wavers once their children's unvaccinated state actually affects them. IE once they find that they cannot access free daytime childcare unless their children are immunised against the most dangerous infectious diseases.

The Measles vaccine was bought in 1968 catch up programme for those that hadnt had measles and at 12 months for babies. MMr was bought in 1988. I dont think mumps vaccine was ever routinely given before mmr.

Forgot to say Rubella was given to girls at secondary school, i was 13 or 14 when i was supposed to have it but i caught Rubella from my DM a month or so before.

Can I ask a question about childhood vaccines? I don't know when the MMR was first introduced but I was born in 1975. I had rubella when was a kid but I remember having the rubella injection when I was a teenager so does that mean I would have had the measles and mumps vaccinations separately?

I remember my Mum telling me I'd had everything except the whooping cough vaccine as there was a scare around it at the time but I'm not sure what that was back then!

Edited to add I know no one can tell me for certain, I'm just wondering how it worked.

I was extremely annoyed when I tried to get the chicken pox vaccine for my two in the Netherlands, and it was unavailable. I was given the runaround for weeks until in the end it was clear it wasn't going to get anywhere.

Apparently, so I was told, there was a debate in the govt and the view was that the cost of the vaccine nationwide would outweigh the cost of the small number of children who die of it. Talk about wrong scale of values, in a country that is very rich and can actually afford the vaccines in the first place.

This entirely preventable death is on the heads of everybody who spreads anti vax rubbish and encourages other parents to believe the nonsense they have read online. Children should not be dying of measles in 2025.

When my DD went to work in Camp America , vaccines were mandatory and we had a nightmare proving she had chicken pox trying to get a titre test on a bank holiday weekend with less than a week to get results! I hadnt taken her to the gp as her brother had it the 2 weeks before, she even had a chicken pox scar on her face but that wasnt proof enough.

Sadly on top of the 3 children in Texas who recently died of measles a little girl has died in Alder Hey hospital.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j1k3k44e2o#:~:text=Child%20dies%20at%20Alder%20Hey%20as%20measles%20cases%20surge&text=their%20vaccination%20status.-,It%20is%20thought%2017%20children%20have%20been%20treated%20at%20Alder,died%20aged%2010%20in%202023.

Vaccines on the whole prevent people being sick. When will the penny drop?
Im not going to respond to you again because you clearly have made up your mind to believe grifters instead of scientists and to paint the scientists as grifters.

tough on their kids, what sort of education will they get from people who don’t/cant’/wont’t understand real research and statistics?
Perhaps unvaccinated kids - whether that’s through the obduracy of their parents or medical necessity - should be provided with online schooling as soon as an outbreak starts?

I think people with this thought process a
have no right to live in a civilised society to be frank.