Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

Being young and a bit daft and not wanting or being able to raise a kid is a perfectly good reason for an abortion.

Again, yes, prophylaxis is preferable but it is not foolproof and it is not always likely, or possible due to the barriers presented by a whole host of complex psychosocial factors also previously discussed at length.

Take LA as an example, as she is the original topic of the thread. Now that she is in a more stable and less vulnerable position psychologically following intensive MH treatment, she is able to manage her contraception needs and has LARC fitted. She is on her 'third or fourth coil' (her own words). When she was an extremely unwell young person, living a chaotic life that was not an option. Of course, theoretically it was available, but she was not in a mindset to avail herself of it.

You can have has many abortions you want just don't advertise it on a pod cast.
It's nothing to brag about.

Can some tell me why there is much so much faux hate from people on here who love the daily mail. Especially those who go out of there way to call to daily fail. It’s a bit cringe. Are you 12?

C’mon you read it, you like it, you quote from it. Just own it. Why the shame and attempt to hide. It makes you look silly.

You are being disingenuous. You know perfectly well I was referring to people who are using abortion as a form of contraception. Those who have a genuine failure also have options. There are a few genuine reasons for abortion, the OP's example is not one of them.

@TwinsTrollsAndHunz I mentioned it earlier too. And isn’t that the point, healthcare providers are trying to avoid the need for multiple abortions as it is not seen as ideal.

And if you are in short term relationships surely it is better to double up on contraception, so woman uses one sort and men use condoms not only to prevent pregnancies but also STIs

Are you intentionally missing the posts where I have repeatedly stated that contraception is offered and strongly recommend to women who attend for abortion care? Contraception cannot be forcibly administered to women without consent.

Ok 😃

Yes, it was, actually. You seem like you're angry you're meeting with dissent on this thread and hitting back with 'edgy' gifs and irrelevant comments about cats. If anyone's been stooping to the juvenile on this thread it certainly ain't me.

Mature response

Grow up.

I've seen at least three posters on here say it should be legal for a woman to kill a baby afterbirth. On a thread about Sally Clark, one of them said a mother or father shouldn't go to prison for killing a child until the age of three.

That is fucked up. Do people actually think this or are they sick trolls?

@ChatPDQ we have regular conversations with DS about contraception. I certainly wouldn’t be teaching him that abortion is a form of contraception

Imagine someone is feckless. Then there was a genuine failure. Do they have to go through with #2? Then something happens like a rape (even within a relationship) or births defect. Is that ok or not?

The issue with this stance, and however any of us do/don’t judge the situation, is what is an acceptable number? How is that defined legally, morally?

Despite her bravado she probably doesn’t remember because she blocked some of them out. Or she was perfectly comfortable with them that she couldn’t even remember, which is a good thing in my opinion.

What bothers me most is the amount of right wing American money coming over to this country so they can try and influence our right to choose what happens to our bodies. I point to the fact that an anti abortionist was honoured in the U.K. by Fiona Bruce under Liz Truss ill fated and short lived govt, the fact that a US anti abortion group have been protesting and campaigning in Glasgow earlier this year is much more worrying for us all.

The daily fail start laying the groundwork by posting these stories and then pretty soon the narrative is that they shouldn’t happen at all because the women who have them have ‘loose morals’ and that all women shouldn’t have access to abortions.

We actually don’t have the right to an abortion in this country it’s not enshrined in law as it should be. There are circumstances where its legal if two doctors agree and yes they do at the moment but it can be taken away, if there is the political will to do so.

I also agree.

Ignore the posters on here who seem to believe that abortion is an acceptable form of contraception OP. I find it quite obscene that she, and many posters on here, seem to think this is okay. If you don't want a baby then take precautions beforehand - simple as that (and yes, I do judge women who can't be bothered to).

1 abortion, or 100... does it matter? If there is a limit, then at some point you will be telling a woman that she needs to carry a pregnancy to term. So many things wrong with that. Pregnancy, childbirth and kids are not lesson to be taught to women who make choices that you don't like.

You're assuming they told you.

If posters have a son who got someone pregnant, would you not suggest they use contraception at some point. See above sentence.

Lily Allen is a bit feckless in how she lives .. you don't say... like she never seemed like that before to y'all? (I love her songs btw)

I'd rather she had feckless abortions then lots of children she looked after in a rather feckless way, so sounds like actual result is least of all bads.

If posters have a daughter who repeatedly had abortions because they didn’t use contraception would you not at some point suggest contraception?

She mentioned it on a podcast lol

You are judging as several sentences start with “but”.

In your world everyone makes fully logical rational decisions that are well thought through. 1 error of judgement or an accident might be allowed but not beyond that.

No disrespect to LA, I don’t know the woman. Do you honestly think she doesn’t suffer from having an absent mother, famous father, being famous, and the environment she grew up in. I know ND people who are quite ostrich about problems (not suggesting it making this about ND).

Sometimes you gotta walk a mile in someone else’s shoes and what seems obvious and right and logical to you is not to others - for a whole host of reasons.

What’s Katie got to do with this?

Are only clever women allowed to get abortions?