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blossoming56 · 2025-07-03T07:05:05+00:00

Article in the Fail today about this. I am pro choice but it did make me a bit uncomfortable. After a while a string of abortions - too many to remember - would surely leave its mark physically and emotionally not mention the cost on the NHS. Everyone should have a choice but is there not an element of personal responsibility to just take precautions after the first few times?!

Caligirl80 · 03/07/2025 09:28

nomas · 03/07/2025 08:28

Why don’t you actually listen to Lily and Miquita talking about it before berating OP?

metro.co.uk/2025/07/02/cant-judge-lily-allens-abortion-confession-pro-choice-23562712/

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I stand by my original comment. Far more important things to discuss in the world than one person's abortion history. Her decisions do not impact you at all. And anyone making decisions about their healthcare based on what Lily Allen does or does not do has far bigger problems.

KateMiskin · 03/07/2025 09:28

Reform will be in 4 years from now, and there will be sufficient crying and feeling bad over dead babies for everyone.

I hope to god we don't have to remember these " Pro- choice but only as long as you feel really really bad" times fondly.

Gddfava · 03/07/2025 09:28

As a pro life person I tend to stop debating the issue on MN now. It becomes heated, catty and just a load of insults thrown about.

Imbusytodaysorry · 03/07/2025 09:28

@blossoming56 I agree I’m choice.
This though is totaly irresponsible and appears like an attitude of it’s fine it can be “sorted”
She should step up and use contraception. .
1-2 but 4 or 5 .
Sadly termination doesn’t effect some and is used time and time again as a form of “contraception “

Rosscameasdoody · 03/07/2025 09:27

pelargoniums · 03/07/2025 08:35

Abortion isn’t immoral or something to be ashamed about; Lily Allen discussing her abortions isn’t immoral or something to be ashamed about. As for responsibilities – what could be more responsible than aborting an unwanted pregnancy? No, smart alecks,the answer isn’t “contraception” – that’s what you do to prevent the pregnancy. Once you’re pregnant and don’t want to be, abortion is a responsible choice. (A choice, not the only choice, let women do whatever they want with their bodies including talking about those choices without judgement.)

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I agree that abortion is the responsible thing where the pregnancy is unwanted. But it’s also the responsible thing to use contraception if you’re having sex at a time when you know you don’t want to be pregnant as a result. I’m pro choice but multiple abortions in the numbers suggested in the article strongly suggest a problem in that she’s using abortion as its own form of contraception. Which is repugnant. Rather than indulging in this type of interview she should be seeking the help she clearly needs to make better choices.

KnittyNell · 03/07/2025 09:24

NarnianQueen · 03/07/2025 08:24

People in this thread are acting like it’s a terrible sin to even talk about this! We talk about everything else 🤯
i think it’s shocking that she and her partners are so rubbish at contraception that they’ve needed to resort to abortions four or five times! If she was in a different socio-economic group she’d probably be listed as needing support in her everyday life 🫠

Well said.
Its unbelievable.

Isxmasoveryet · 03/07/2025 09:24

How to say. Your vain judgmental and shallow with a lot of free time on your hands

HangingOver · 03/07/2025 09:24

I feel like a lot of people are in this halfway house about abortion, essentially a 'yes, but...'.

A friend of mine basically believes it should be legal but you're only morally in the clear if you're sufficiently upset about it. I asked her who exactly that benefits and she didn't have an answer but got upset about the 'dead babies'.

dietmonkey · 03/07/2025 09:24

I agree with you Op. I read that yesterday and felt utterly repulsed. To be so flippant about such an important thing is abhorrent.

NattyFox · 03/07/2025 09:23

I think a doctor should have taken her aside at some point and talked about contraception, so she wouldn't need to keep having abortions. Sounds like she was young and irresponsible.

I'm glad she was able to have her two daughters when she did.

Bobbieiris · 03/07/2025 09:23

Oh and also I actually really like Katie price, really admire how she is with Harvey! I don’t know why but for some reason I just find lily allen really irritating

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 03/07/2025 09:23

InterestedBeing · 03/07/2025 09:11

This what she and also you dont understand.

This is the law: most women don't bother to read it before they start spouting pro choice.

Abortion is legal in Great Britain if two doctors decide in good faith that in relation to a particular pregnancy one or more of the grounds specified in the Abortion Act are met (1).
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A - the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman greater than if the pregnancy were terminated
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B - the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(b)

C - the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(a).

D - the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of any existing child(ren) of the family of the pregnant woman: Section 1(1)(a).16
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E - there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped: Section 1(1)(d).
The Act also permits abortion to be performed in an emergency if a doctor is of the opinion formed in good faith that termination is immediately necessary:
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F - to save the life of the pregnant woman: Section 1(4)
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G - to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman: Section 1(4)

How many women do you think could actually satisfy the criteria to two doctors that continuing with their pregnancy, would cause grave risk to their physical mental health? I'd say very few.

Doctor's don't apply the law strictly, but if they did rocking up and saying I forgot to take my pill or condoms split isn't enough. Strictly speaking, you are supposed to be able to prove that continuing the pregnancy would be detrimental to a mental or physical health. IT ISN'T A WOMAN'S CHOICE. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PRO.CHOICE.

You better hope doctors don't start strictly applying the criteria strictly.

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It's "physical or mental health" of the woman, not just physical health. I believe that most doctors in the area who are not philosophically opposed to abortion in principle agree that requiring a woman to carry a baby against her will would cause damage to her mental health.

You're right that the law could be applied differently if doctors had a different view, but I'm not sure why you're saying that means there's no such thing as pro-choice? Being pro-choice means you believe that women should be entitled to decide for themselves whether they continue with a pregnancy or not. There would be such a thing as being pro-choice even if there was no right to termination in this country at all.

tamade · 03/07/2025 09:23

Onleemoi · 03/07/2025 08:46

Pro Choice doesn’t come with a but.

Why not?
Isn't that the definition of tolerance and kindness, to believe in someones right and freedom to do what is right for them, whether or not you are wholeheartedly behind the act itself.
There seems to be a trend in society today where live and let live, tolerance is not enough; every special interest group wants it all, the full gamut of support and celebration, or else you're a bigot

KateMiskin · 03/07/2025 09:22

FruityCider · 03/07/2025 09:20

I'm not 'pro-choice as long as you feel bad about it' or 'pro-choice as long as you don't use it too often'. I'm pro-choice full stop. It's a medical procedure like any other and you are not compelled to believe it's a moral dilemma or anything other than the removal of cells.

Lily and Miquita are on the more extreme end of things, and judge away if you must, but surely you must glad they had the right to do it. I'm nervous about bad actors in this country chipping away at abortion rights, not women exercising the rights that that they have.

Yes! You have said what I wanted to say, but better.

Morgenrot25 · 03/07/2025 09:21

Lifelifelife21 · 03/07/2025 09:19

She's done lots of other things that were illegal and would have her slated on MN though.

Using prostitutes, drugs. I know from a friend who worked for her that she used to have parties at her house where everyone was off their face on coke while she was heavily pregnant.

She's certainly not someone I would admire or want to emulate.

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That's a separate issue though.

Pricelessadvice · 03/07/2025 09:21

I’m absolutely not anti-abortion, but treating it like a contraceptive is different.

DurinsBane · 03/07/2025 09:21

If she has had a string of them, too many to remember, that has got to be into the double figures. Sounds like she was using abortion as a form of contraception.

ScreamingBeans · 03/07/2025 09:21

Gosh. How very forgetful.

Gddfava · 03/07/2025 09:20

Every abortion thread on here turns into a big fight.

I am personally pro-life after reading both sides of the issues and coming to my own moral conclusions. What I think Lily Allen has done is morally very wrong.

But me having this belief isn't going to do anything at all to change her life. It's not going to impact abortion legislation at all.

FruityCider · 03/07/2025 09:20

I'm not 'pro-choice as long as you feel bad about it' or 'pro-choice as long as you don't use it too often'. I'm pro-choice full stop. It's a medical procedure like any other and you are not compelled to believe it's a moral dilemma or anything other than the removal of cells.

Lily and Miquita are on the more extreme end of things, and judge away if you must, but surely you must glad they had the right to do it. I'm nervous about bad actors in this country chipping away at abortion rights, not women exercising the rights that that they have.

Bobbieiris · 03/07/2025 09:20

Ugh I can’t stand lily allen, she seems utterly selfish and self centred. When I was a teen I used to waitress at fancy Cotswold events and she was at a few of these, she came across as such a spoiled brat.
I’m not anti abortion but she seems so flippant about it and not at all upset. I am really struggling with contraception at the moment so using condoms, but seems as if the coil suits her so can’t understand why she wasn’t a bit more responsible. And there is also the morning after pill!
I can imagine there are vulnerable women who have had to have several abortions and it can’t be easy, so for her to discuss it without a care in the world does irritate me. However since my babies were in NICU I’ve struggled more with the idea of abortion and do find the fact that she is discussing it as if it is funny quite sad.

Gall10 · 03/07/2025 09:19

Can’t say I’m a lily allen fan …but this is her business, no one else’s, if you don’t agree with abortion then don’t have one but ffs don’t comment on others peoples decisions on it.

Lifelifelife21 · 03/07/2025 09:19

Morgenrot25 · 03/07/2025 09:15

It's absolutely none of your business.
She will have her reasons, and even if some folk don't approve, she done nothing illegal.

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She's done lots of other things that were illegal and would have her slated on MN though.

Using prostitutes, drugs. I know from a friend who worked for her that she used to have parties at her house where everyone was off their face on coke while she was heavily pregnant.

She's certainly not someone I would admire or want to emulate.

Morgenrot25 · 03/07/2025 09:19

KnittyNell · 03/07/2025 09:18

Why not?

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Why?
So people can judge, and several others have to tell them to mind their own business and live their own lives instead?

Everydayimhuffling · 03/07/2025 09:18

@InterestedBeing all pregnancy is more dangerous to a woman's health than the safe and legal abortion in this country. It's not hard to apply that to the guidance.

Additionally, am I allowed to call myself pro-choice given that I believe women should be allowed to choose without the sign off of two doctors? Just because the law doesn't make it a free choice doesn't mean that people aren't pro-choice. There are pro-choice people in a lot of countries that don't allow abortion at all.