Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

There is no constructive debate here, except for the one poster who mentioned ADHD diagnosis, the rest is judgement - words such as disgusting or deciding how many abortions we think women are allowed to have (when actually there is no limit on legal abortions). People are also making false claims regarding side effects or even claiming that one woman's abortion somehow affects them.

She's highly unlikely to have gone through the NHS for these abortions.

As already stated, bitchfest.
What shallow and judgemental lives you must all lead.

You don’t have to join every conversation. But telling her to mind her own business does not allow for any constructive debate or critical thinking on a very divisive topic such as abortion.

You may as well be telling her to shut up in which case why don’t you just scroll past instead?

What are you inviting people to do exactly?

That is just ignoring the fact that Allen should have taken responsibility for her decisions.

Are you talking about me? Or the OP?

It's not a "bitchfest". It's perfectly reasonable to discuss something that is out in the public realm. I think her abortion-as-a-contraceptive-method is utterly disgraceful.

It might surprise you to say I'm not anti-abortion. I am against it in principle, but I also understand that women do need them so I wouldn't stop them from having one. However, getting to the point where you laugh about it and say "I can't remember how many I've had" is a real low point for mankind. What kind of message does that send out to impressionable women and girls? Or even boys and men?

This kind of behaviour does not need to be 'normalised'. If something "needs to be 'normalised'", then really the person feels some sort of shame, which is what they should feel. Judgement is sometimes required.

I didn’t say you were!!! You are the one posting pointless crap to other posters. Have a nice day!

Any why shouldn’t anyone criticise?
Lots of things don’t affect us personally! The abortions laws in America for example, or pretty much most of what trump says doesn’t affect me personally yet I have an opinion. Trans women in sports, pip payments or many other topics that people on mn get their knickers in a twist about don’t directly affect me, yet I have an opinion and can discuss if I wish.
IMO those saying don’t judge on here are the most judgy of all. Who are you to judge the OP for starting a discussion? Maybe the OP feels strongly about this topic and wants other opinions.

@Beeloux that's the thing it can happen, even post sterilisation/vasectomy no matter what you do, even with withdrawal there is still risk. To judge anyone is odd especially as you personally know failures happen,

I am currently on the implant and using condoms, but if I got pregnant again I would get an abortion, even though that would be my third, as there is no such thing as too many abortions.

I'd rather my 17 year old read that than judgemental attitudes tbh. Open a discussion with her.

I blame the Patriarchy, inter generational trauma and poor coping skills.

Therapy is the answer.

I'm not your hun, I won't be responding to anymore pointless drivel.

It’s pretty obvious why people have opinions.

Lily Allen publicised it. I would hate for my 17yo dd to hear this and think that 5 abortions is a run of the mill thing that everyone does.

Her body, her choice - fine. And that would indeed have been the end of it is she had not chosen to publicise it ! But she did ! So it isn’t the end of it now.

I'm not remotely interested in Lily Allen but has she not had substance abuse issues? And she's in the music business? And people are surprised that she's not been on the ball with contraception?

You need to a) stop reading the misogyny in the Daily Mail, because that's all it is; and b) get a more open mind about lives that aren't yours. That's to anyone on the thread who cares to identify.

I feel that we should not be openly judging women asserting their rights to what needs to be viewed as healthcare.
These discussions open the doors to situations like in the US where women are being forced to remain pregnant when it is a danger to their health and will never produce a baby (molar pregnancy etc) or are being kept on life support to sustain a foetus for months.

I think as women, we need to choose to support women's reproductive choices or not, and accept that not is likely to set us back 40+ years in our productive rights.

And I can't bloody stand Lily Allen.

LA is diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and ADHD, combined with her childhood role models and mentors, explains her high risk choices.

She needed help earlier, and didn't get it in time. The terminations were the right choice for her at the time.

personally i don’t judge her decisions to have abortions. I do judge her getting pregnant that many times though when she didn’t want to be!

I realise it hun

It's still not your place to judge her decisions regarding her body.

Why?

Hmmm. Only read the first page and don’t bother posting usually this far deep into a thread but my only real thought on this is that it’s incredibly irresponsible to get yourself pregnant when you don’t want to be ‘4 or 5 times’.

i don’t care who she is or what she does with her body but I do think she needs help.

as someone who HAS had a termination, I was left scarred (mentally) and can’t really talk about it. I am traumatised I had to go through it. I ‘did everything right’ - used protection (which failed) and bought the MAP OTC (which failed) and was left with no choice than to terminate or continue a very unplanned and unwanted pregnancy. I am angry I had to make that choice, that everything failed and left me in that position.

I was scared of sex for a good 10 years afterwards (because I was worried about an unplanned pregnancy); this affected my relationship of course and it’s only resolved now I am unable to have more children.

I cannot imagine having a termination more than once. I can’t imagine being in a position where you need to do it more than once.

I don’t believe contraception fails ‘4 or 5 times’. If so, use something else!