Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

“My body my choice” is right up there with “but it’s my right” as a simplistic catch all to shut people up. To infringe is to bully after all.

But, the whole rights thing of the social contract is actually
“Rights and responsibilities“

Reponsoble to society, responsible to the use of resources, responsible in our treatment of others

Im pro-choice, things happen, things go wrong, maybe you just don’t want a baby as Lily, I believe, said. And we should be free to make our choices.

But to not consider contraception at all, to just crack on, and abort when you inevitably get pregnant - that’s downright irresponsible.

I’d argue however she needed help, not the ability to abort removed, maybe some kind of sex education or counselling should kick in if you hit abortion number three - not to judge you but to address whatever issue you clearly have and help you.

So your counter argument is ... having no argument.

Gotcha. You do you culture has really served us well.

absolutely this

there are a lot of self appointed thought police on mn these days

You’re right, I’ve seen worse being discussed here. @Itchytoe is being a prick
they could of scrolled on by

It is well documented that she has mh conditions, she openly discussed her diagnosis.

She could have gone her whole life without anyone knowing about this, seems vulgar to throw it out there so casually years later.
to have ‘four or five abortions’ is odd unless she’s a ridiculously fertile woman that not even contraception and condoms stopped her from getting pregnant.
And for her friend to label it ‘romantic’ that a man paid for Lily’s abortions is so messed up.

I can tell her MH is fragile if she’s had 5 abortions. Exactly my point upthread about a woman would have to be in a really dark place to keep finding herself in this shit position. I wonder when abortion number 6 will happen.

You think she had them on the NHS? I expect she said she couldn’t remember because it’s nobody else’s business.

She seemed very confident discussing this, I think she'll be knocked off her feet by the public reaction, her MH is fragile.

I always tell my children, only share things that you are happy for everyone else to hear, good and bad.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean you can't have a moral framework. Your list is frankly ridiculous. Most women get through life without having any abortions.

I'm pro-choice but I found the flippancy and giggling around the interview very unsettling. They each claimed to have had 4 or 5 abortions and found it trivial and funny. What message is that sending men about our bodies, or their own responsibilities, for god sake? Nobody has snooped into Lily Allen's private files, she chose to talk about it publicly. Personally I won't have the "thought police" dictating what I and can't talk about.

Does she take sugar in her tea? Is she really as petite as she looks in her photos? What colour is her sofa?

You have no idea? Oh. You said you have never liked her so I assumed you actually knew her personally to form that opinion. Never mind then.

Abortion, by definition, is not a form of contraception.

I don't care. Her body, her business.🤷‍♀️

@Morgenrot25 are you LA’s mum?

I agree OP.
Extremely irresponsible, selfish and unnecessary with many contraceptive methods available.
While I am very grateful that women have access to abortion service, it should be used as a form of contraception.
I never liked LA, she's an attention seeking fool.

So, pro coice then... unless it interferes with your own perceived value system? So, not really pro choice or pro women's autonomy etc etc at all then?

Should you get a stamp card? What if your friend hasn't used any of her stamps? Can you use hers? What if in your maximum of 3 abortions rule... abortion 1 was due to stupidity, abortion 2 was failed contraception (you vomited after taking your pill or the condom came off etc), abortion 3 was due to you being on meds that make pregnancy very dangerous (there are plenty!), abortion 4 was because of rape, abortion 5 was because no contraception is 100%, abortion 6 is because you were not in a place that you could look after yourself, let alone a baby, abortion 7 was because the baby had medical conditions, abortion 8 was because... there are soooo many different reasons to have an abortion. You cant pick a random number and say "yep, I approve of that number but no more".

I have no idea about Lily. I haven't read the articles. Just the headlines.

I think we are so lucky to have access to safe abortions and the freedom to access them.

As I have already said, I just hope she isnt trying to process any trauma publicly. Yes, I know some women dont give it a second thought but a lot of women do struggle with it. Even if it is the "right" decision and you dont regret it, it can still be deeply upsetting.

It is a bitchfest though, that's why I've repeatedly pointed it out.
I'd be happy if a young woman was accessing contraception, but also able to access abortion should she require it. I wouldn't judge her or tell her that some random folk on the internet matter more than her.

@Morgenrot25
You do realize that instead of discussing the topic the OP has raised … you are attacking the OP. Why and what are you hoping to achieve?

Hmmm it's totally possible to judge a woman for being reckless and irresponsible and to support her right to access an abortion. Asking people to suspend judgement is pretty much asking the impossible, however I think it's important to recognise that people (men and women) make terrible choices all the time but it's almost always not in society's or the child's interest for a baby to born in these circumstances. Abortion is probably still the best outcome for everyone involved even though it's not ideal.

Lily Allen publicised it. I would hate for my 17yo dd to hear this and think that 5 abortions is a run of the mill thing that everyone does.

I thought exactly the same thing about my DD. I wouldn’t like her to read something like this and for it to feel normalised to her.

It‘s not empowering to hear a woman has well and truly utilised her rights and had 5 abortions. She didn’t need to tell us all.

I think your brain explodes and all your internal organs are turned into pâté, and then your hair starts growing out of your mouth, or something. I heard it on the back of the bus so it must be true.

How is it, when she did take responsibility (by having abortions when she didn't want to have the baby)?

What you are advocating is behaviour that she might not have been capable of at the time, actually, and which aligns with your image of how a woman ought to present. Newsflash: there is no one way to be a woman. Casual, unprotected sex happens. Need I also mention that the man involved also did not conform to your template? Or do you perhaps not have a template for male behaviour?