Lily Allen ‘can’t remember’ how many abortions she’s had

I agree she's put this out there in an attempt to gain attention. I don't agree with using abortion as a form of contraception, mostly on moral grounds, but also because it's stupid. Why put your body through that if you can usually prevent it by taking a simple precautionary measure?

I don't describe myself as pro-choice, but I think it's ridiculous to say that a person can't be both generally in favour of giving women the option yet also able to see shades of grey on the issue, such as putting time limits into place, or as in this case, recognising that there's something sick about allowing yourself to become pregnant repeatedly when you know you don't want to have a baby.

We also use the terms zygote and foetus to describe various stages of development, because it's not true, at all, that something either is or isn't a baby.

At the very early stages, a collection of cells which just has the potential to become a baby is very much not a baby, and abortion is very much not killing.

Anyway, AIBU to ask who Lily Allen even is? Genuinely? Not 100% sure I can even work up the energy to google.
But yes, its grim.

Calling something a baby doesn’t make it a baby

I call my cat baby but I’m not enrolling him reception this year

Not read the full thread but I made a thread about this yesterday OP. Made for some fruitful discussion.

Hope this link works

I am very pro-choice. However, I am most definitely not pro-feckless irresponsibility.

I don't think she knows (or cares) what to say next in order to draw attention to herself. My best friend's neighbour was at Benenden with her and she was a tiresome, drama queen even back then.

We as a society use the term 'baby' very early in pregnancy all the time when the baby is wanted, and women who miscarry wanted pregnancies relatively early on often very much feel they've lost a baby. So either its a baby or it isn't.

My thoughts exactly. Lily Allen quite literally said it. The daily mail along with other newspapers just reported on it. It's not like it's a blatant lie. Who gives a shit that the daily mail published it

Bloody hell, that's dark. I'm pro-choice, but that's not on.

I thought it was bad enough when someone got into it with me on an MN thread once about why I didn't think it was OK to have unprotected sex on the basis of 'if I get pregnant there's always abortion', but that's actually shocked me, and I'm not that shockable.

The newborn baby vs in utero isn't the 'gotcha' you think it is, @BlueJuniper94

I think they think some clever trap is evolving 😂

Shocking that on a women's site, posters are equating early term abortions to neo-natal infanticide.
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Lily Allen says edgy thing to draw attention to herself.

And the world turns.

Duh obviously but that’s not what abortion is

one is murdering a living autonomous being

the other is a living autonomous being choosing not to be pregnant

Nothing whatsoever is a moral issue 🙃 ok dokes

I asked you if it would be morally wrong to commit neonatal infanticide. You responded that they're not comparable because one is illegal. Now we've agreed the legality of it is a red herring for the purposes of this discussion - maybe you can respond to the question: is it morally wrong to kill newborn babies?

Not for me no - I’m 100 pro choice

What are moral issues then, are there any?

Not addressed to me, but no. What's immoral is forced birth.

Some of the straw man arguments on this thread are utterly bonkers.

I've just seen this, interesting take. Have you seen how much healthcare is delivered as a result of non-communicable diseases and conditions that have mostly modifiable risk factors (aka "lifestyle")?

Is insulin for T2 diabetes not healthcare? Are inhalers for COPD not healthcare?
Are surgeries, chemotherapy, immunotherapy and radiotherapies for skin cancers not healthcare?
Are anticoagulants in stroke and heart disease not healthcare?
If you break your femur skiing and have it pinned back together, is that not healthcare?

Don’t be daft