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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 14:41

Dwimmer · 06/07/2025 14:12

So the more immigrants France allows to cross in the boats, the more they can exchange for them? If I were France I would be collecting them from the ferry and driving them straight round to a boat back to the UK. I might even pay then for their troubles!

Are the Labour back benches rebelling against limits on immigration or because this opens the door to more?

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Because it would seek to impose limits on immigration.

Dwimmer · 06/07/2025 14:12

So the more immigrants France allows to cross in the boats, the more they can exchange for them? If I were France I would be collecting them from the ferry and driving them straight round to a boat back to the UK. I might even pay then for their troubles!

Are the Labour back benches rebelling against limits on immigration or because this opens the door to more?

Bluebellwood129 · 06/07/2025 13:08

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 10:57

Looks like Labour’s next backbench rebellion is brewing….

Sir Keir Starmer is facing a fresh wave of dissent from Labour backbenchers over his deal with France to stop small boat crossings.

Under the “one in, one out” scheme, Britain would send migrants coming in from the Channel back to France within weeks of their arrival in return for the UK taking asylum seekers from France.

Details of the plan are expected to be set out during a state visit by Emmanuel Macron, the French president, to London this week.

But restless backbenchers who recently rebelled against Sir Keir’s welfare plans have threatened to revolt again over his proposed migrant deal.

Labour might be in Government, but they are patently not in power.

A perfect end to Starmer's worst week in office. 😂

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 12:34

party4you · 06/07/2025 12:32

Okay babes you tell yourself that x

You told me that through your posts or were you ‘saying’ something completely different?

party4you · 06/07/2025 12:32

RenoLouis · 05/07/2025 22:21

Yes I’m clearly lacking critical thinking and comprehension skills in understanding the difference between what you actually post and what you are ‘saying’ in your head. Jesus wept,

Okay babes you tell yourself that x

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 12:29

ChickenNuggetDreamland · 06/07/2025 09:31

After watching her smirking in the HOC at the news of independent school closures around the country and children having to leave friends and find new schools…I couldn’t give a shit about her tears.

Yes there’s something particularly vile about someone enjoying children suffering, especially when they’re supposed to represent those children’s best interests. There are lots of red flags from her not just her inexplicable obvious hatred of a group of school children, when asked if she was going to resign she responded she’d worked too hard to resign. No concern for her low competence or the harm she continues to spread.

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 11:57

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 09:16

You don’t need it individually. Anyone can check out the rates and work out what an individual is getting. It couldn’t be more transparent.

It clearly could be more transparent by listing how much benefits they receive individually.

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 11:01

But restless backbenchers who recently rebelled against Sir Keir’s welfare plans have threatened to revolt again over his proposed migrant deal.

None of those three Telegraph articles contain that sentence, where did it come from?

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 10:57

Looks like Labour’s next backbench rebellion is brewing….

Sir Keir Starmer is facing a fresh wave of dissent from Labour backbenchers over his deal with France to stop small boat crossings.

Under the “one in, one out” scheme, Britain would send migrants coming in from the Channel back to France within weeks of their arrival in return for the UK taking asylum seekers from France.

Details of the plan are expected to be set out during a state visit by Emmanuel Macron, the French president, to London this week.

But restless backbenchers who recently rebelled against Sir Keir’s welfare plans have threatened to revolt again over his proposed migrant deal.

Labour might be in Government, but they are patently not in power.

ChickenNuggetDreamland · 06/07/2025 09:31

After watching her smirking in the HOC at the news of independent school closures around the country and children having to leave friends and find new schools…I couldn’t give a shit about her tears.

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 09:19

The top 1 pct of earners (those on £213,000-plus) contribute c. 28 pct of all income tax revenues, with the top 5 pct (£100,000-plus) accounting for 48 pct and the top 25 pct (£47,000-plus) paying 75 pct of all income tax.

All of us who fall into the above category should fight back. Mitigate, mitigate, mitigate our tax liability.

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 09:16

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 08:43

No - I am talking individually.

Let’s make EVERYONE accountable.

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You don’t need it individually. Anyone can check out the rates and work out what an individual is getting. It couldn’t be more transparent.

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 08:48

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MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 08:43

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 08:38

It’s very easy to see what benefits claimants get. The rates are all available online.

No - I am talking individually.

Let’s make EVERYONE accountable.

BIossomtoes · 06/07/2025 08:38

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 08:33

I read that Labour was contemplating that everyone’s salary should be made public.

I would like to propose a variation to this - all welfare claimants benefits receipts should be made public.

It’s very easy to see what benefits claimants get. The rates are all available online.

MyNameIsX · 06/07/2025 08:33

I read that Labour was contemplating that everyone’s salary should be made public.

I would like to propose a variation to this - all welfare claimants benefits receipts should be made public.

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 08:21

RenoLouis · 05/07/2025 21:58

Ha ha, I voted for Labour not to raise taxes for working people.

I think many feel as you and pp.

chaosmaker · 06/07/2025 08:14

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 17:22

Because horses for courses? I’d like to be an Olympic show jumper, but I’m a very average rider, so I did something else instead. Care is bloody hard, but low-skilled. And the same remuneration as doctors? Be serious.

How the fuck is care low skilled? We have to give meds, move people around via an array of different aids from sara stedy's to hoists with slings and constantly assess the people we support for their mental and physical wellbeing. Across a range of conditions, ages and housing. That is without the report writing, note taking, assessing if someone needs referring to OT services (through talking to them and the office who will contact their social worker).
I am constantly amazed how clueless people are when it comes to the lies people repeat about it being low skilled.
I don't want a qualification in it to make stupid people think it is a skilled profession. I have all mandatory training kept updated Also happy with my zero hour contract that still gives me a pension, holiday pay, etc. Just doesn't force me to work hours I don't want.

TalkToTheHand123 · 06/07/2025 08:07

She thought she could hide it I guess. She's human. I'd cut a bit of slack. Not voting for Kemi after that, although removing from the human rights law is tempting.

Gettingbysomehow · 06/07/2025 08:02

Labour are disgusting. They have been attacking the very people they are supposed to protect, the working poor, the elderly and the disabled. Easy targets.
Reeves is supposed to be running our country and shouldn't be doing this if she cant manage her emotions. She should have stayed away from the cameras until she got herself together.

Gibstub · 06/07/2025 07:40

loobylou10 · 02/07/2025 20:23

Couldn’t agree more. I felt very uncomfortable watching it especially when the Kemi Badenoche (sp?) was jeering at her. Horrible.

Typical Kemi Badenoch. She is just a nasty, horrible woman. Would not vote for her is she was the only person standing.

RenoLouis · 05/07/2025 22:21

party4you · 05/07/2025 22:08

aw babes can you not apply a bit of critical thinking and not see that the lack of carers would be a long term consequence, one which I felt applied to my argument. Just because no one has mentioned it on the thread doesn’t mean I can’t say it, does it? And again, I never said carers should be paid the same as a doctor. I think you need to work on your comprehension skills.

Yes I’m clearly lacking critical thinking and comprehension skills in understanding the difference between what you actually post and what you are ‘saying’ in your head. Jesus wept,

party4you · 05/07/2025 22:08

RenoLouis · 05/07/2025 19:24

You clearly did write that and I can’t see anyone in the thread complaining about lack of carers. Can you explain your thought process a bit?

aw babes can you not apply a bit of critical thinking and not see that the lack of carers would be a long term consequence, one which I felt applied to my argument. Just because no one has mentioned it on the thread doesn’t mean I can’t say it, does it? And again, I never said carers should be paid the same as a doctor. I think you need to work on your comprehension skills.

Julen7 · 05/07/2025 22:01

broney · 05/07/2025 21:48

She probably hadn't slept for three days! And the Labour Government are doing exactly what the country elected them to do, that is rebuild the country after fourteen years of Conservative destruction. NHS waiting lists are the longest in history, half the children in the UK don't have access to an NHS Dentist, schools are falling down because they should have been rebuilt a decade ago, etc, etc. Scandalous neglect by the CONSERVATIVES. THOSE are the issues MUMSNET should be getting angry about.

The Labour govt are very much not doing what they were elected to do.

RenoLouis · 05/07/2025 21:58

TalkToTheHand123 · 05/07/2025 21:54

I voted to smash the gangs.

Ha ha, I voted for Labour not to raise taxes for working people.