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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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MyNameIsX · 08/07/2025 08:46

party4you · 08/07/2025 08:22

Also - this poster accused me of not being sober and not being calm, in her reply that’s now deleted, so I’m not really concerned if the word babes is patronising to her to be frank.

So you do deploy ‘babes’ to get your own back.

It is patronising, and you use it for that reason.

party4you · 08/07/2025 08:22

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 19:39

Please can we dispense with the ‘babes’ - it’s hugely patronising.

Also - this poster accused me of not being sober and not being calm, in her reply that’s now deleted, so I’m not really concerned if the word babes is patronising to her to be frank.

party4you · 08/07/2025 08:21

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 19:39

Please can we dispense with the ‘babes’ - it’s hugely patronising.

Nah, I use it in my everyday life to everyone. I’m gonna assume we’re different generations if you find it patronising. The only thing that is actually patronising is trying to police other peoples language, maybe reflect on that.

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 19:39

party4you · 07/07/2025 19:08

I never said that in the first place though babes so stop getting yourself into a tizzy still x

Please can we dispense with the ‘babes’ - it’s hugely patronising.

EasternStandard · 07/07/2025 19:33

Abhannmor · 07/07/2025 17:56

Not really. I'm not psychic of course but a lot of posts slagging Labour seem a tad disingenuous. And I'm no fan of Steer Calmer.

What do you think public sentiment is atm? Why would this site just be pro Labour

party4you · 07/07/2025 19:08

RenoLouis · 07/07/2025 07:38

Just click on show quote history and you can see your original post I replied to. Anyway you no longer think Drs and carers should be paid the same and I agree. Happy days, let’s leave it at that.

I never said that in the first place though babes so stop getting yourself into a tizzy still x

Soulfulunfurling · 07/07/2025 19:03

Locutus2000 · 07/07/2025 18:39

Please no more juvenile nicknames. It's like hanging out with fucking Trump.

I don’t remember anyone from Labour showing such restraint to the awful names about Boris. Double standards is sickening.

Locutus2000 · 07/07/2025 18:39

Please no more juvenile nicknames. It's like hanging out with fucking Trump.

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 18:38

Abhannmor · 07/07/2025 17:56

Not really. I'm not psychic of course but a lot of posts slagging Labour seem a tad disingenuous. And I'm no fan of Steer Calmer.

So, posts criticising Labour are lacking sincerity?

I can assure you that my posts truthfully convey my feelings. If anything, I could be more strident but words sometimes fail me.

I think Labour are fully deserving of the opprobrium.

Abhannmor · 07/07/2025 17:56

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 08:13

I dont understand your last paragraph.

Please can you clarify?

Thanks

Not really. I'm not psychic of course but a lot of posts slagging Labour seem a tad disingenuous. And I'm no fan of Steer Calmer.

CheekyFish · 07/07/2025 12:20

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:03

Then why should anyone bother going into care? Aren’t you seeing why it is an issue?

I’m sorry this is just absurd, I do think careers might be underpaid but it’s pretty obvious why Drs get paid more than carers.

CheekyFish · 07/07/2025 12:16

It’s obviously a stressful job, I think she’s doing a terrible job but one tear doesn’t really deserve this amount of scrutiny.

MyNameIsX · 07/07/2025 08:13

Abhannmor · 06/07/2025 20:25

The problem is the huge corporations effectively paying zero tax - when they're not actually being subsidised. Investment income is a wage like any other , why is it not taxed at the same rate as any other?

Off topic a bit - but it's amusing to see all the Tories on here larping as Corbynites to have a pop at Labour. But if Rachel took their advice they'd shit themselves....

I dont understand your last paragraph.

Please can you clarify?

Thanks

ladywindemeresbucket · 07/07/2025 07:57

ThisOldThang · 06/07/2025 22:39

Socialism: The belief that forcibly taking somebody else's economic output for oneself is somehow virtuous, but a person wanting to keep it for themselves is selfish.

Socialism - "Equal opportunity for uniformity" 🙂

RenoLouis · 07/07/2025 07:38

party4you · 07/07/2025 07:08

Hahahaha this is your worst reply yet! You know I never said what you’re claiming so now you’re backpedaling. “Now I’m sober” - the only one who’s sounded like they’ve had a tipple this whole thread is you! I’m not sure why you think I need to calm down, I am calm. Funnily enough I don’t left daft replies on an online forum dictate my mood 🤔 You think you’re coming across as intelligent but all you’re showing is that you have a juvenile understanding of politics and the way the economy works. Good luck with trying to defend yourself to everyone again, god knows you need it.

Just click on show quote history and you can see your original post I replied to. Anyway you no longer think Drs and carers should be paid the same and I agree. Happy days, let’s leave it at that.

party4you · 07/07/2025 07:08

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Hahahaha this is your worst reply yet! You know I never said what you’re claiming so now you’re backpedaling. “Now I’m sober” - the only one who’s sounded like they’ve had a tipple this whole thread is you! I’m not sure why you think I need to calm down, I am calm. Funnily enough I don’t left daft replies on an online forum dictate my mood 🤔 You think you’re coming across as intelligent but all you’re showing is that you have a juvenile understanding of politics and the way the economy works. Good luck with trying to defend yourself to everyone again, god knows you need it.

chaosmaker · 07/07/2025 00:14

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 23:20

I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, I think everyone should pay tax and not just a minority. There are only a few of us paying Scandinavian levels of tax and we’re also being increasingly means tested out of the services we pay for. It’s time for everyone to do their share and that doesn’t just mean people earning over £100k, it means you as well I’m afraid.

What services are you being 'means tested' out of? I'd be happy to pay higher taxes if I had a higher income. You do not pay for me as I claim nothing but probably, inconcievably, to you, I am not money motivated or I wouldn't be in care work.
The answer to all this is easy. Rip up all tax laws and rewrite them without loopholes for accountants to slither their client's money through, virtually untouched.
The other answer would be to get rid of money and find some other thing to base worth on - then pay accordingly. As I've said on other threads, you saw the valuable people that had to work during lockdowns. Usually they were the most looked down on jobs in society - also, mysteriously, the worst paid in some cases.

Allisnotlost1 · 06/07/2025 23:41

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RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 23:20

Allisnotlost1 · 06/07/2025 23:13

So this comment, which I made after your strange little gotcha, made you come up with it.

Taking with no regard for anyone else is the very essence of people who want to live in a society, benefit from civil and criminal law, from large scale healthcare and all that brings (vaccination programmes, emergency medicine, treatment for long-term
conditions), from a road network, environmental health and food safety and security, clean water and sanitation systems, financial regulations, and who employ people who benefit from all of those things. And then moan about paying tax.

The healthiest, safest and happiest countries in the world are those where people pay higher tax than here. But you’ll probably never venture there, because you think you’re paying for the ‘lifestyle’ of anyone who thinks differently to you. It’s pitiful really, the quality of our education system has definitely declined.

I think you’ve got the wrong end of the stick, I think everyone should pay tax and not just a minority. There are only a few of us paying Scandinavian levels of tax and we’re also being increasingly means tested out of the services we pay for. It’s time for everyone to do their share and that doesn’t just mean people earning over £100k, it means you as well I’m afraid.

Allisnotlost1 · 06/07/2025 23:13

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 21:49

Comments like this to be honest. It’s usually people who don’t contribute anything who think society is just endlessly taking with no regard for anyone else.

So this comment, which I made after your strange little gotcha, made you come up with it.

Taking with no regard for anyone else is the very essence of people who want to live in a society, benefit from civil and criminal law, from large scale healthcare and all that brings (vaccination programmes, emergency medicine, treatment for long-term
conditions), from a road network, environmental health and food safety and security, clean water and sanitation systems, financial regulations, and who employ people who benefit from all of those things. And then moan about paying tax.

The healthiest, safest and happiest countries in the world are those where people pay higher tax than here. But you’ll probably never venture there, because you think you’re paying for the ‘lifestyle’ of anyone who thinks differently to you. It’s pitiful really, the quality of our education system has definitely declined.

Julen7 · 06/07/2025 22:44

Or “if we can’t all be rich let’s all be equally poor”

ThisOldThang · 06/07/2025 22:39

Socialism: The belief that forcibly taking somebody else's economic output for oneself is somehow virtuous, but a person wanting to keep it for themselves is selfish.

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 21:49

Allisnotlost1 · 06/07/2025 21:22

I’m curious what you used from any of my posts to come to that wild conclusion?

But also slightly creeped out by the idea of you sitting there and deciding which posters you’re happy to pay tax for. Bizarre behaviour. Go live in Dubai if you don’t want to be part of society.

Comments like this to be honest. It’s usually people who don’t contribute anything who think society is just endlessly taking with no regard for anyone else.

Allisnotlost1 · 06/07/2025 21:22

RenoLouis · 06/07/2025 21:07

I apologise, I’d assumed from your posts you were one of the takers.

I’m curious what you used from any of my posts to come to that wild conclusion?

But also slightly creeped out by the idea of you sitting there and deciding which posters you’re happy to pay tax for. Bizarre behaviour. Go live in Dubai if you don’t want to be part of society.

EasternStandard · 06/07/2025 21:17

Abhannmor · 06/07/2025 20:25

The problem is the huge corporations effectively paying zero tax - when they're not actually being subsidised. Investment income is a wage like any other , why is it not taxed at the same rate as any other?

Off topic a bit - but it's amusing to see all the Tories on here larping as Corbynites to have a pop at Labour. But if Rachel took their advice they'd shit themselves....

What does your last para refer to? Can you give an example of a post that does that. Not sure what you’re getting at

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