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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:41

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:39

I disagree.

The sooner Rayner is in play, the better. Why? Because she will take the UK down so rapidly, that a snap election, or an IMF bail-out etc is a nailed on certainty. She will make the brief Truss mini-budget look like a vicar’s tea party.
Rayner is that toxic combination - vicious and thick.

The sooner we can lance the pus-filled boil that is this government, the sooner we can begin to repair the damage.

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Why would you wish for this?

Chintzcardboard · 02/07/2025 21:41

Chungai · 02/07/2025 21:19

Well said.

Shameful that this forum is full of people being so vicious towards a menopausal-aged woman for shedding a tear.

Why is her assumed menopause even relevant? Not sorry, at her level of experience, expertise and position … quiver chin sobbing in front of public and colleague is a huge error in judgement. If she doesn’t know how to excuse herself before the face crumbles and tears fall, she has got big problems and not fit for office.

Walking in, sitting then excusing self, with poker face & dignity, to exit & then cry in that cupboard outside commons - that would have been the right choice for an experienced professional.

Very poor judgement Rachel.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:40

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:35

’You genuinely dont want them back in power if you depend on benefits’

Boom - there’s the money shot, as they say.

There we go.

Indeed. Britain is now a welfare system with a country attached to it with minority of self dependent people. For an increasing majority, handout culture is truly ingrained in their way of life. Anything that reduces the handouts will not be welcome.

What these people don’t realize that there is no money left. Those paying into the system, the golden goose as it were, has flown. They are leaving the country in their hundreds of thousands. Wonder how long this sham of a system can continue and what the consequences will be.

TesChique · 02/07/2025 21:40

Ive just watched the footage, and my heart hurts for her. She looks totally lost and bereft.

As said in other threads however, this has confirned to me that she is simply not cut out for a career in politics, and moreso not in high office. She is simply out of her depth.

That is not an insult, and if i spoke to her human to human id implore her to leave her post now, for her own mental health and for our economic one.

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:40

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:35

’You genuinely dont want them back in power if you depend on benefits’

Boom - there’s the money shot, as they say.

There we go.

I presumed you are on disability?

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:39

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:36

She orchestrated this whole debacle. She’s been plotting against Starmer for months now, trying to strong arm Reeves to raise taxes and leaking to the press. She is actively sabotaging Starmer and Reeves to make them look weak.

If things are bad under Starmer, imagine if Rayner takes over. The country is cooked.

I disagree.

The sooner Rayner is in play, the better. Why? Because she will take the UK down so rapidly, that a snap election, or an IMF bail-out etc is a nailed on certainty. She will make the brief Truss mini-budget look like a vicar’s tea party.
Rayner is that toxic combination - vicious and thick.

The sooner we can lance the pus-filled boil that is this government, the sooner we can begin to repair the damage.

Dwimmer · 02/07/2025 21:39

Maddy70 · 02/07/2025 19:58

She said she has a personal issue. It's non of our business.
Hasn't everyone has a bad day at work from time to time?

Personal business that affects her ability to do her role as Chancellor is our business in so far as if it affects her ability to do her job then she should resign. If it only had a short-term affect then she should step back until she has recovered herself.

sparrowflewdown · 02/07/2025 21:37

loobylou10 · 02/07/2025 20:23

Couldn’t agree more. I felt very uncomfortable watching it especially when the Kemi Badenoche (sp?) was jeering at her. Horrible.

I agree and I worry for her mental health at the moment. It was inappropriate for KB to lay into her considering how broken she looked.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:36

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:35

So am I imagining them lowering how much you can earn for certain things? I don't think so. They did it sneaky though.

The facts are that benefits bill had never been higher than it was under the Tories. That’s just what it is.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:36

Applesonthelawn · 02/07/2025 21:34

She was crying because she has realised that the objective of the far left of her party is incompatible with a healthy economy, making her job impossible.

Far left.

That’s the polar opposite of the ‘far right’, correct?

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:36

The biggest cut was the two child cap!

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:36

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:23

I agree.

Awful that he failed to back her. I could not really gauge Rayner’s reaction though - was she studiously ignoring Reeves, or?

She orchestrated this whole debacle. She’s been plotting against Starmer for months now, trying to strong arm Reeves to raise taxes and leaking to the press. She is actively sabotaging Starmer and Reeves to make them look weak.

If things are bad under Starmer, imagine if Rayner takes over. The country is cooked.

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:35

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:32

Are you serious? The benefits bill was at record highs under the Tories. This myth about cuts just doesn’t wash when you look at actual numbers.

So am I imagining them lowering how much you can earn for certain things? I don't think so. They did it sneaky though.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:35

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:31

Do you realise how many benefit cuts the Tories did? Do you know they lowered the thresholds for many things including free school meals so barely anyone qualifies? You genuinely don't want them back in power if you depend on benefits.

’You genuinely dont want them back in power if you depend on benefits’

Boom - there’s the money shot, as they say.

There we go.

Applesonthelawn · 02/07/2025 21:34

She was crying because she has realised that the objective of the far left of her party is incompatible with a healthy economy, making her job impossible.

PandoraSocks · 02/07/2025 21:33

TheNuthatch · 02/07/2025 21:25

I'm very happy for you that you've managed to convince yourself of that. Enjoy your celebrations.
Plenty of other disabled people (and families of) feel very differently about Labour after the past few weeks.

I just said I was pissed off with the goverment.

To be clear. The Welfare Bill is a disgrace and should fail at its third reading or be pulled. The changes to UC for disabled people are unfair and create a two tier system. The continuing uncertainty over the future of PIP is causing awful anxiety.

I am still glad the Tories are not in charge. I want the Labour leadership to change tack though or I won't vote for them again in their current iteration.

party4you · 02/07/2025 21:33

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:30

Everyone doesn’t end up causing gilt yields to jump and UK debt interest to go up.

What would you have done? Seriously. I saw someone on the last thread talk about deregulating the markets - the Cameron did that and that caused unsafe cladding. Why can’t we learn from mistakes. The right wing public talk utter utter shite constantly.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:32

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:31

Do you realise how many benefit cuts the Tories did? Do you know they lowered the thresholds for many things including free school meals so barely anyone qualifies? You genuinely don't want them back in power if you depend on benefits.

Are you serious? The benefits bill was at record highs under the Tories. This myth about cuts just doesn’t wash when you look at actual numbers.

TheNuthatch · 02/07/2025 21:32

placemats · 02/07/2025 21:13

You would see only those who are 'deserving' as getting pip and even then you'd have your own personal doubts, because they are able to talk.

Could you please explain how you've arrived at those assumptions about me?

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:31

Chungai · 02/07/2025 21:28

This is such a pathetic post, I actually feel embarrassed for you.

She was barely sobbing uncontrollably was she?!

I'm not a fan of hers but I strongly believe shedding a tear does not stop someone doing their job. In any of your examples a moment to compose oneself would allow them to continue and if you engage your brain you'll know that.

Do you think people in these jobs never have a bad day? Never cry, or get distracted, or make mistakes? They are all human too, you know.

What’s pathetic is the lack of acknowledgement that crying on the job caused damage to UK debt interest. Perhaps look up what it means to spook the markets when you are the chancellor.

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:31

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:14

A Tory/Reform ticket would work, right now.

They would care no more, no less than this Labour Govt.

Do you realise how many benefit cuts the Tories did? Do you know they lowered the thresholds for many things including free school meals so barely anyone qualifies? You genuinely don't want them back in power if you depend on benefits.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:30

Maddy70 · 02/07/2025 19:58

She said she has a personal issue. It's non of our business.
Hasn't everyone has a bad day at work from time to time?

Everyone doesn’t end up causing gilt yields to jump and UK debt interest to go up.

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:29

Toastandbutterand · 02/07/2025 21:16

Im always surprised by how many people watch pmqs when everyone says they don't watch it.

It looked to me like she had a tooth infection.

She didn't look broken, just in physical pain.

If it is one of those I nearly cried in Tesco because I couldn't have more pain relief!

Alexandra2001 · 02/07/2025 21:29

Imdoodleladie · 02/07/2025 21:25

Other than Liz Truss that is! When she first came out from self exile she did look embarassed and unhappy. Now because she has been proven right about a lot of things, she is as happy as I've ever seen her!! 🤣

Truss? Proven right???

Lost me on that one!

the main reason we pay 108 billion per year on debt interest & in the shite, is down solely to her, she trebled gilt yields... and wrecked a great deal of DC pensions.

Chungai · 02/07/2025 21:28

PlinthofSynth · 02/07/2025 21:22

Aw, bless

So, your surgeon is having a bad day and has the cries, poor you having to tolerate the result

Your train driver has a sad and is crying tears, poor you and all the passengers, it's not their fault they can't see

your gas boiler check? Yep, the engineer had something in their eye

MOT? Yeah, gaz will do it, yeah, he's got tears rolling down his face, but your car's in safe hands, you'll be fine to get in it and drive your kids

Yeah, everything's fine

This is such a pathetic post, I actually feel embarrassed for you.

She was barely sobbing uncontrollably was she?!

I'm not a fan of hers but I strongly believe shedding a tear does not stop someone doing their job. In any of your examples a moment to compose oneself would allow them to continue and if you engage your brain you'll know that.

Do you think people in these jobs never have a bad day? Never cry, or get distracted, or make mistakes? They are all human too, you know.