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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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tipsyraven · 02/07/2025 21:50

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/07/2025 21:03

The government was elected with a mandate. They are trying to carry it out. Whatever you feel about whether it was right or wrong, they are in a horrible situation - not enough money for everything that needs to be done, people ground down by years of services being eroded so that needs are really high, but no one wants to pay more tax when cost of living is so high. Its an impossible situation.

They didn’t have a mandate to cut the income from the most vulnerable in society.

Izz81 · 02/07/2025 21:50

Meadowfinch · 02/07/2025 20:13

Because the person in charge of the finances of UK plc being seen openly weeping during the PM's questions hardly says "steady as she goes, safe pair of hands" to the money markets. It says "in a blue funk". She's supposed to be a seasoned professional. She clearly isn't.

This, unfortunately. Working in the banking industry, her emotions were not a good sign. One thing they want to see no matter how choppy or absolutely terrifying the conditions are, is a stern face committed to getting the job done. Once you show emotion, youre not in control and if you're not in control then you could become unpredictable - right or wrongly, thats just how they see everything in that industry. This went down like a tonne of bricks.

I really feel sorry for her but then its not a job she had no idea about and thought will give it a shot, its a very public job that you work day and night doing and she should have known its not a job for everyone, its a tiring all consuming draining role where so much is out fo your hands and whats in your hands must be moved delicately or could make things a lot worse, spinning plates in a hurricane comes to mind.

She may have personal/separate issues but to me she looks absolutely broken and to see a woman in that state, for me, is always sad to see.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:50

FWIW, Starmer trying to cut welfare was absolutely the right thing to do, even if he was weak willed and didn’t take the cuts far enough.

What is a disaster is that he caved in. And he is using Reeves as the fall guy. Unfortunately, he has a snake beside him in Rayner, who will bring him down in no time. He should have got rid of her when he had the chance and purged the party of the other loons and fruitcakes.

Kimwestonhelpless · 02/07/2025 21:49

Calidrisalba · 02/07/2025 21:41

I liked what Stephen Flynn, the SNP's Westminster leader, said:

"Like almost all MPs I don't know why the Chancellor was upset in the chamber today, but I do hope she is okay and back to her duties this afternoon. "Seeing another person in distress is always very difficult, and we are wishing her well."

That was the right response, politics aside and sympathy for a person that looked broken.
I'm no fan of her policies by any means but a bit of empathy for another person doesn't go amiss.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/07/2025 21:49

justasking111 · 02/07/2025 21:04

Anyone ever noticed that when some MPs reach high office. Their health goes to hell, they age very fast.In this case Reeves, she looks bloated, pale, is it diet, lack of sleep . Whereas others in this case Starmer seem immune so far.

I'd much rather be a back bencher support my constituency, cut and run. Work/life balance.

Run Rachel, resign, check into a spa, have a good summer holiday eat healthily and relax.

I thought the same when Obama was in office. Hes a very fit and healthy man, but he looked like he aged decades while he was president.

Calidrisalba · 02/07/2025 21:49

TesChique · 02/07/2025 21:40

Ive just watched the footage, and my heart hurts for her. She looks totally lost and bereft.

As said in other threads however, this has confirned to me that she is simply not cut out for a career in politics, and moreso not in high office. She is simply out of her depth.

That is not an insult, and if i spoke to her human to human id implore her to leave her post now, for her own mental health and for our economic one.

It really was difficult to watch. There have been a couple of occasions when I’ve been under enormous personal stress and been exhausted when I remember being in work calls, or simply in a shop, and tears just came. I had no control, when 10 minutes before I wax ok for the situation I was heading into. I suspect that what happened took RR by surprise or surely she would not have put herself in that position. I feel enormous sympathy for her as a fellow human, though I don’t agree with her policies ( root cause of all this IMO is her and labours manifesto commitment not to raise income tax or NI paid by individuals- hands tied from the off)

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 21:49

TesChique · 02/07/2025 21:45

Is the world of politics brand new to you?

Maybe they missed all the threads earlier about other politicians.

Applesonthelawn · 02/07/2025 21:49

She'll be gone after the Autumn statement I expect. He'll want to wait until he has blamed her for more than just this before he gets rid of her, just to get maximum mileage out of the opportunity. It's brutal but if she can't take the heat (and I certainly wouldn't want to), she shouldn't have taken the job on.

Louko · 02/07/2025 21:48

What an awful career politics is , fortunately some people do want/ agree to be politicians , because at the end of the day we need them to run the country. They need more respect whether we agree with them or not especially this labour government who have their work cut out and while they might make mistakes I think they are doing their best.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 21:47

placemats · 02/07/2025 21:13

You would see only those who are 'deserving' as getting pip and even then you'd have your own personal doubts, because they are able to talk.

Celebrating Labour aside for whatever reason I don’t see how you got to this.

Sesma · 02/07/2025 21:46

Toastandbutterand · 02/07/2025 21:16

Im always surprised by how many people watch pmqs when everyone says they don't watch it.

It looked to me like she had a tooth infection.

She didn't look broken, just in physical pain.

It was all over the news

MaryTheTurtle · 02/07/2025 21:46

Of course he wouldn’t say if she’d keep her job until next year, cabinet changes happen a lot and if he said Yes then a few months she’s off to a new post he’s be accusers of lying.

She clearly hasn’t slept for a few days

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:46

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:43

Sounds like you want anarchy. I just want stability for my children.

Who do you think should pay for that ‘stability’.

Stability doesn’t come from free. It needs people to contribute financially. Unfortunately less than half the people in this country are actually net contributors and number who don’t contribute a penny is increasing at an alarming rate.

TesChique · 02/07/2025 21:45

unsurewhattodoaboutit · 02/07/2025 21:45

It’s threads like this that reaffirm my view that most people are selfish unfeeling twats and will readily stick a knife in given the opportunity.

Is the world of politics brand new to you?

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:45

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:43

Sounds like you want anarchy. I just want stability for my children.

Then you have come to the right place, my friend.

We both want Labour out - because they are not the paragons of economic stability you would like for your children, or mine.

And no, I do not wish for anarchy.

unsurewhattodoaboutit · 02/07/2025 21:45

It’s threads like this that reaffirm my view that most people are selfish unfeeling twats and will readily stick a knife in given the opportunity.

TesChique · 02/07/2025 21:44

DreamingofTimbuktuagain · 02/07/2025 21:42

Surely a teacher is a profession? Her parents likely went to University to qualify as teachers. Yes she’s under pressure but I don’t think coming from a working class background is part of it.

A) teachers are technically middle class

B) no one made more noise about rachel reeves being the first female chancellor than rachel reeves herself

A prison of her own making

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 02/07/2025 21:43

Chintzcardboard · 02/07/2025 21:41

Why is her assumed menopause even relevant? Not sorry, at her level of experience, expertise and position … quiver chin sobbing in front of public and colleague is a huge error in judgement. If she doesn’t know how to excuse herself before the face crumbles and tears fall, she has got big problems and not fit for office.

Walking in, sitting then excusing self, with poker face & dignity, to exit & then cry in that cupboard outside commons - that would have been the right choice for an experienced professional.

Very poor judgement Rachel.

I don't disagree with this, actually, she should have left the chamber when she realised she was going to lose it. But I do think it's valid to question why it's so much worse for a woman to lose it by crying than it is for a man to lose his temper or treat the house with contempt.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:43

Calidrisalba · 02/07/2025 21:41

I liked what Stephen Flynn, the SNP's Westminster leader, said:

"Like almost all MPs I don't know why the Chancellor was upset in the chamber today, but I do hope she is okay and back to her duties this afternoon. "Seeing another person in distress is always very difficult, and we are wishing her well."

Whilst the ‘victims’ of her polices to date, can do one.

Was what he failed to add.

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:43

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:42

My post answers your question.

Sounds like you want anarchy. I just want stability for my children.

DreamingofTimbuktuagain · 02/07/2025 21:42

Snapespeare · 02/07/2025 21:14

She also carries the weight of expectation in being the first female chancellor and of being from a working class background - her parents were primary teachers. Any failure on her part unfairly reflects on other working class girls.

I don't agree with the majority of her decisions, but I can conjure up some empathy for the position she finds herself in, some of it if her own making, quite a lot of it from Starmers ability to flip flop around and undermine her decisions (as much as the PM undermines the Chancellor, he is the PM.)

Surely a teacher is a profession? Her parents likely went to University to qualify as teachers. Yes she’s under pressure but I don’t think coming from a working class background is part of it.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:42

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:39

I disagree.

The sooner Rayner is in play, the better. Why? Because she will take the UK down so rapidly, that a snap election, or an IMF bail-out etc is a nailed on certainty. She will make the brief Truss mini-budget look like a vicar’s tea party.
Rayner is that toxic combination - vicious and thick.

The sooner we can lance the pus-filled boil that is this government, the sooner we can begin to repair the damage.

Edited

That’s one way to speed up the process.

Vicious and thick is well put.

Dbank · 02/07/2025 21:42

There was real fear in her eyes, she wasn't just upset. I suspect she's out of her depth and can't take the pressure. She'll be gone by the end of July.

And the damage she and her party have created will just get worse.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 21:42

TwoFeralKids · 02/07/2025 21:41

Why would you wish for this?

My post answers your question.

Calidrisalba · 02/07/2025 21:41

I liked what Stephen Flynn, the SNP's Westminster leader, said:

"Like almost all MPs I don't know why the Chancellor was upset in the chamber today, but I do hope she is okay and back to her duties this afternoon. "Seeing another person in distress is always very difficult, and we are wishing her well."