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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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Louko · 02/07/2025 22:35

Viviennemary · 02/07/2025 22:26

That is nonsense. Oaps are more vulnerable and they took away their miserly £200 fuel allowance without any qualms whatsoever. They make me sick. I doubt I will ever vote for them again

That depends on the income of the OAP surely? Some are pretty wealthy tbf.

TimeforaRoadtrip · 02/07/2025 22:35

Muffsies · 02/07/2025 20:08

I don't care why she was crying. She got emotional, like normal human beings do.

She wasn't lying to us (boris), she wasn't sleeping (mogg), she wasn't looking at porn (parish), she didn't have a temper tantrum (multiple).

There are way more concerning things for me to worry about right now. Why is this on AIBU??

good points!

Birdsinginginthetrees · 02/07/2025 22:34

placemats · 02/07/2025 20:35

It's Independence Day this Friday. Long live the Labour party 🥳 🎉. One year on and loads to celebrate.

You won’t be so jubilant when Reform wins the next general election.

Jennps · 02/07/2025 22:33

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 22:28

Same. She’s been that upset for a while.

It’s Rayner’s incessant bullying.

The strong arming, plotting and leaking to the press. Rayner is an absolutely nasty individual.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 22:33

bombastix · 02/07/2025 22:30

Yes the Conservative Party did not do this to her, did they? But you can expect them to point it out.

It’s her own actions and her own party.

To borrow from W. Churchill.

Reeves has the opposition in front of her, and the enemy behind her.

On that, I shall bid you all goodnight.

Pebbles16 · 02/07/2025 22:32

Jennps · 02/07/2025 21:53

These people are not doing it out of the good ness of their hearts. They are talentless narcissists who know that there is nothing else they could do while robbing a salary and perks that politicians get.

They are basically totally inept and mostly corrupt idiots.

Absolutely not. My school friend's DH is an MP - returning. Before he was an MP, he had a very good job. In the "in between times", he had a very good job. Both were much higher paid than his current salary.
He is an MP because he has a very strong social conscience and wants to do what he can: but the UK political system is shot (as are most other democracies):

  • short term-ism. Politicians are voted in for five years and meant to "change the world" - to make real change you need a clear run that policies aren't going to be derailed for at least a decade
  • Some policies are going to be "pain before the gain". But the electorate doesn't see that
  • For some reason, politicians put very complex decisions to a public vote (yes, this is Brexit). Politicians were minimal on the truth and it hasn't solved the more more complex problems
Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 22:31

tobee · 02/07/2025 22:28

What fraud, deception and lies? Your comments would be laughable if they weren’t so ridiculous.

Edited

Reeves joined the Bank of England in September 2000 as part of their graduate scheme.[10] In a 2021 interview with Stylist magazine, Reeves said she had spent a decade working as an economist at the Bank of England, however her LinkedIn CV listed six years at the Bank, from September 2000 to December 2006,[12] and during one of these years she was pursuing a master's degree at the LSE.[10] In February 2025, BBC News reported that Reeves' LinkedIn CV had also been incorrect, and that she had left the Bank of England by March 2006.[13]

In 2006, Reeves moved to Leeds to work for the retail arm of HBOS.[14][15] In 2024, due to criticism of Reeves saying she had worked as an economist at HBOS, her LinkedIn CV was changed, and her role at the bank was updated to "Retail Banking".[10][16] The Times reported her actual role was "running a customer relations department dealing with complaints and mortgage retention".[10] The report led to the media and opposition politicians nicknaming her "Rachel from accounts".[17][18]

Rachel Reeves - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Reeves#cite_note-:12-10

bombastix · 02/07/2025 22:30

Yes the Conservative Party did not do this to her, did they? But you can expect them to point it out.

It’s her own actions and her own party.

HauntedMarshmallow · 02/07/2025 22:30

The last time the media/armchair critics were shocked about a high profile woman being human, it turned out she had cancer. (Catherine)

Do you really think op that if Reeves just received a cancer diagnosis or got a message to say a relative had died that she owes you an explanation!?

A lot of people need to get over themselves.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 22:28

mayhemrulesok · 02/07/2025 22:26

I'll try again, clearly my last reply hit a nerve.

Yes you are being unreasonable.
Speculating on why someone is clearly upset, after it has been made clear by others close to them that it is due to a personal reason, is, in my opinion a despicable way to behave. It shows in my opinion, a lack of empathy and humanity.

Not sure who your post is in reply to but would you say that Reeves has shown ‘empathy and humanity’ to the following?

SME owners
Farmers
Pensioners
Welfare claimants
Private school parents, kids and teachers

Await yours, please.

tobee · 02/07/2025 22:28

Mounjarorookie · 02/07/2025 22:21

She is an obscenely overpaid incompetent individual who was perfectly happy to take the money but didn’t ever expect to have to work for it. At her level this is all part of the territory, male or female, makes no difference. She has coasted through life getting away with fraud, deception and lies (I’m sure her previous colleagues can absolutely verify this) and thought the gravy train would continue.

Rachel from accounts - the chickens have finally come home to roost - it’s judgement day. No amount of self piteous tears is going to help her now - and neither should they. You take the gold shilling, you pay the price.

What fraud, deception and lies? Your comments would be laughable if they weren’t so ridiculous.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 22:28

Julen7 · 02/07/2025 22:24

I think Reeves has most likely been wounded more by members of her own party rather than anything Kemi said.

Same. She’s been that upset for a while.

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 22:27

MerryMaidens · 02/07/2025 22:25

It's interesting, isn't it, how suddenly it's 'her' budget and 'her' fiscal rules, like the rest of the cabinet had nothing to do with it.

This is the glass cliff in action: give a woman a senior position when everything's fucking up and then point and laugh at her when it goes down the pan. Men emerge squeaky clean.

I think it's very clear Starmer is also fighting for survival tonight.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/07/2025 22:27

MerryMaidens · 02/07/2025 22:25

It's interesting, isn't it, how suddenly it's 'her' budget and 'her' fiscal rules, like the rest of the cabinet had nothing to do with it.

This is the glass cliff in action: give a woman a senior position when everything's fucking up and then point and laugh at her when it goes down the pan. Men emerge squeaky clean.

Dont you think it is interesting that the first time a woman got to do this job was in the middle of the complete balls up left behind? I thought the same about May as PM - women often only get their chance when no man wants to chance it.

mayhemrulesok · 02/07/2025 22:26

I'll try again, clearly my last reply hit a nerve.

Yes you are being unreasonable.
Speculating on why someone is clearly upset, after it has been made clear by others close to them that it is due to a personal reason, is, in my opinion a despicable way to behave. It shows in my opinion, a lack of empathy and humanity.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 22:26

Araminta1003 · 02/07/2025 22:19

The country is almost broke but basically a Labour Government cannot fix it because of ideology and the difficult decisions that need to actually be made conflict with that ideology, and she knows it.

Yes I think so too. She does know.

Viviennemary · 02/07/2025 22:26

tipsyraven · 02/07/2025 21:50

They didn’t have a mandate to cut the income from the most vulnerable in society.

That is nonsense. Oaps are more vulnerable and they took away their miserly £200 fuel allowance without any qualms whatsoever. They make me sick. I doubt I will ever vote for them again

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 22:25

Bluebellwood129 · 02/07/2025 22:17

One might have expected Rayner would at least have glanced at Reeves, particularly knowing the cameras would be on them all.

Yes, very odd that.

A cabinet colleague, and a ‘sister’ after all…

MerryMaidens · 02/07/2025 22:25

It's interesting, isn't it, how suddenly it's 'her' budget and 'her' fiscal rules, like the rest of the cabinet had nothing to do with it.

This is the glass cliff in action: give a woman a senior position when everything's fucking up and then point and laugh at her when it goes down the pan. Men emerge squeaky clean.

Julen7 · 02/07/2025 22:24

CarpetKnees · 02/07/2025 22:15

I have every sympathy for Rachel Reeves.

I have utter contempt for Kemi Badenoch and the way she spoke today.
I mean, I didn't think my contempt for her could be more than it was before I saw the news, but she has managed to sink to a new low.

I think Reeves has most likely been wounded more by members of her own party rather than anything Kemi said.

MyNameIsX · 02/07/2025 22:22

CarpetKnees · 02/07/2025 22:15

I have every sympathy for Rachel Reeves.

I have utter contempt for Kemi Badenoch and the way she spoke today.
I mean, I didn't think my contempt for her could be more than it was before I saw the news, but she has managed to sink to a new low.

Funny that, because I saw contempt from Reeve’s own colleagues - Starmer and Rayner.

Watch the footage again - see if you can spot it too.

Mounjarorookie · 02/07/2025 22:21

She is an obscenely overpaid incompetent individual who was perfectly happy to take the money but didn’t ever expect to have to work for it. At her level this is all part of the territory, male or female, makes no difference. She has coasted through life getting away with fraud, deception and lies (I’m sure her previous colleagues can absolutely verify this) and thought the gravy train would continue.

Rachel from accounts - the chickens have finally come home to roost - it’s judgement day. No amount of self piteous tears is going to help her now - and neither should they. You take the gold shilling, you pay the price.

BeardofHagrid · 02/07/2025 22:21

Whatever it was hadn’t just happened. Her eye bags were huge! She’d clearly been up all night. I think she’s been fired. I don’t know why someone didn’t help her to discreetly leave and compose herself :/

Louko · 02/07/2025 22:20

Caligirl80 · 02/07/2025 22:08

There's always been vitriol in politics! You need a thick skin to have that job. And you need to understand that it's not just you that is impacted by displaying those emotions - whatever they may be - it's other people's lives. Specifically the immediate impact was to send the pound falling and the markets to wobble. Which impacts a vast number of people. It would be like a lawyer crying in court: it would negatively impact their client! And in this case the client is all of us. If she couldn't control her emotions she should have stayed out of the commons until she could.

There may have always been Vitriol in politics but that doesn’t make it right.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 02/07/2025 22:20

bluewanda · 02/07/2025 22:12

Yet Trump doesn’t seem to age. He looks older than he did in 2016 obviously, but only due to the normal advances of time, not pressure.

Oh, I heard something really interesting about this - how a lot of his weird look is to disguise how elderly he would look otherwise - like the orange tan and weird hair colour are a means to an end, and his suits are built up to disguise how frail he can look.