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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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ladywindemeresbucket · 03/07/2025 07:56

CircusofPuffins · 02/07/2025 20:08

Whatever the truth, she does look shocking. The eyebags look like someone who has not slept more than a couple of hours for weeks.

I genuinely have no idea why people aspire to hold these important positions in politics. By the time it's all over, they all look a shell of their former selves, thoroughly worn out and broken down. Who wants to put themselves through that?!

I agree.
Have you seen Yvette Cooper lately?
She used to have a cute elfin face framed by a pixie-cut. Now her face looks pinched and puffy, with eyebags.
Being in the cabinet doesn't agree with some...

dawngreen · 03/07/2025 07:53

I have no sympathy for some one who can smile while putting disabled ppl into poverty. These so called concessions to protect the existing ppl, will stop in 2028. So when the existing ppl have to renew their claims, they may end up losing money. How are they supposed to buy food and pay bills?

Igneococcus · 03/07/2025 07:50

Brownthosebrownonionsbrown · 03/07/2025 07:39

I can't remember the last Tory party leader who was actually voted in during a GE to become PM, was it Clegg?

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Was he ever the leader of the Conservatives?
Edited: he was Lib Dem anyway.

Brownthosebrownonionsbrown · 03/07/2025 07:39

Alexandra2001 · 03/07/2025 06:04

Hilarious yet pathetiic how so many Tory supporters are concerned about a very small increase in yields, 4.5 to 4.6..... yet had nothing at all to say when yields went from around 1% to 4.5% with their choice of PM, Liz Truss.....

...and have stayed there ever since... despite getting rid of her.

I can't remember the last Tory party leader who was actually voted in during a GE to become PM, was it Clegg?

creakingwheels · 03/07/2025 07:29

I really feel for her.

It does, however, show she is not cut from the same mettle as other politicians. They are resilience super heroes. I am constantly amazed at how everything can be going to crap around a politician, everyone hates them, blasted from all sides, terribly hard decisions to be made, and they just get up each morning, carry on and battle through, talk normally and show no sign of a impending nervous breakdown. And then after they are publicly and humiliatingly ( for any normal person) kicked out of politics, they go on worldwide public speaking tours. Astonishing levels of self belief and resilience.

I could never be a politician. I’m just not cut like that.

HelplessSoul · 03/07/2025 07:24

Sesma · 03/07/2025 07:02

Rayners face while this was going on.

She is the living embodiment, of utter barrel scraping scum.

Letskeepcalm · 03/07/2025 07:15

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 02/07/2025 20:30

This, absolutely.

She's been in an impossible position from the start, as has Starmer tbf. The whole thing is a shit show, but at least this is a government trying to govern, rather than a Boris wank-fest, a Truss spinning eyed loon show, or Rishi Make Me Richer and Shove Me In A Helicopter again mayhem.

👏👏

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 07:11

Quirkswork · 03/07/2025 07:06

Looking at the timings it looks like RR hadn't started crying the first time Kemi said she looked miserable. Then Keir sparked her tears off when he said that "she" won't be in her job (meaning KB but that seemed to start RR off crying). Then Kemi just said that RR looked miserable again but less emphatically. I suspect she was fairly nonplussed and didn't believe what she was seeing and didn't know quite how to react. Who knows. Unfortunate though.

Sneering “she” won’t be in her job from Starmer. It’s lucky KB doesn’t get provoked by all his jeering.

Whitehorses67 · 03/07/2025 07:10

If you can’t control your emotions in public then government isn’t the job for you.

I am still gobsmacked that a labour government targeted disabled people in the way which was attempted.

It was cruel and dishonest.

Not only was this enormous departure from what people expect of labour it was not in their manifesto and they would never have won the election had they been upfront about any such possibility.

They spun their proposed PIP cuts as a way to stop young people who claimed to have anxiety from sitting in their bedrooms gaming instead of getting a job thus using a modern stereotype they felt everyone could get behind.

The truth was that an enormous number of seriously physically and mentally disabled people of all ages, many of whom either work or have worked until prevented by disability, would lose the essential benefit which enables them to live.

It remains to be seen how this situation will unfold after the forced grudging agreement to limit cuts to future claimants and of a review in partnership with disabled people but even if ultimately no cuts are made (unlikely) this government has shown it is not to be trusted to behave in line with labour principles.

I honestly don’t know what they stand for at all.

I understand that the country was run into the ground by numerous tory governments so something needs to change to get us out of the hole but it is disgusting to use the most vulnerable in society as a ladder.

Therefore it will be a cold day in hell before I have any sympathy for the people responsible for this travesty.

Whatever Rachel Reeves is crying about at least she doesn’t have to worry that she can’t afford to pay her carers, or leave her house, or choose whether to heat or eat all whilst living with chronic pain and life limiting illness.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 07:09

party4you · 03/07/2025 07:06

I’ve not criticised Kemi anywhere 😂 I’m calling out your double standards like you’re trying to. But failing since you can’t even read what you’re replying to.

And you can’t read a question.

party4you · 03/07/2025 07:06

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:53

So you excuse Starmer’s bullying but do you criticise Kemi as others have?

I’ve not criticised Kemi anywhere 😂 I’m calling out your double standards like you’re trying to. But failing since you can’t even read what you’re replying to.

Quirkswork · 03/07/2025 07:06

Looking at the timings it looks like RR hadn't started crying the first time Kemi said she looked miserable. Then Keir sparked her tears off when he said that "she" won't be in her job (meaning KB but that seemed to start RR off crying). Then Kemi just said that RR looked miserable again but less emphatically. I suspect she was fairly nonplussed and didn't believe what she was seeing and didn't know quite how to react. Who knows. Unfortunate though.

Alexandra2001 · 03/07/2025 07:03

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:53

So you excuse Starmer’s bullying but do you criticise Kemi as others have?

Badenoch went for someone clearly in distress...

Starmer and Badenoch give as good as they get.. cut n thrust of politics as they say...

Do you not see the difference?

Stephen Flynn SNP clearly does and offered support to Reeves, Badenoch did the opposite, she showed herself for what she is.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 07:03

runningpram · 03/07/2025 07:01

It’s PMQs where that’s the name of the game. His attacks aren’t personal. She usually comes in completely unprepared.

Tears are ok? Of course he’s personal, some are just ok because it’s not a Labour politician.

Sesma · 03/07/2025 07:02

Rayners face while this was going on.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 07:02

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/07/2025 06:59

Clearly it wasn’t KB who kicked her off, but she had lots of fun kicking her when she was down. Basic kindness and dignity has nothing to do with race.

It’s lucky KB doesn’t react emotionally when Starmer sneers about her lasting.

Reeves cried after her question not before. It was when Starmer didn’t answer correctly which caused the market jump.

runningpram · 03/07/2025 07:01

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:53

So you excuse Starmer’s bullying but do you criticise Kemi as others have?

It’s PMQs where that’s the name of the game. His attacks aren’t personal. She usually comes in completely unprepared.

NetZeroZealot · 03/07/2025 07:00

I just wish Labour would increase taxes on higher earners. I’d be happy to pay more to get better public services especially the NHS.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/07/2025 06:59

Clearly it wasn’t KB who kicked her off, but she had lots of fun kicking her when she was down. Basic kindness and dignity has nothing to do with race.

Alexandra2001 · 03/07/2025 06:57

ThisOldThang · 03/07/2025 06:47

And lied about a '£22 billion black hole' which included her throwing ludicrous pay settlements at her union backers.

She's lied from her very first speech as chancellor.

Do you mean the independent pay review body pay rises that Hunt himself committed too? but didn't set aside any money for?

Or do you imagine that Hunts 18billion in NI cuts, unfunded, somehow is free money???

Year on year, these NI cuts cost the GOvt, thats you and i, £10billion per year in lost take tax.... all free money in the eyes of the Tories.....

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/07/2025 06:57

GoSteadyReady · 03/07/2025 06:38

So Rachel cries. Kemi Badenoch is worse than the worse. Not Cameron, Sunak, etc would be so bad as Kemi because Rachel has cried. The problem is not that Rachel has cried but that Kemi is a bad person for not giving sway to Rachel's tears.

So let's bash Kemi because the real problem here is her not thar Rachel lacks resilience under the pressure that is part and parcel of this job. When a white woman cries, look for a black or brown person to bear the brunt of it.

Bollocks.

Neemie · 03/07/2025 06:54

Everyone cries but there are lots of jobs where you can’t cry in front of customers/clients/an audience without them questioning your fitness to do the job.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:53

party4you · 03/07/2025 06:52

What the same sneering and attacking Sunak, Johnson, etc. did every week? That’s politics.

So you excuse Starmer’s bullying but do you criticise Kemi as others have?

party4you · 03/07/2025 06:52

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:50

Do you notice Starmer attacking, jeering every week? The condescension and arrogance. It’s ridiculous.

What the same sneering and attacking Sunak, Johnson, etc. did every week? That’s politics.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 06:50

runningpram · 03/07/2025 06:48

‘So Rachel cries. Kemi Badenoch is worse than the worse. Not Cameron, Sunak, etc would be so bad as Kemi because Rachel has cried. The problem is not that Rachel has cried but that Kemi is a bad person for not giving sway to Rachel's tears.
So let's bash Kemi because the real problem here is her not thar Rachel lacks resilience under the pressure that is part and parcel of this job. When a white woman cries, look for a black or brown person to bear the brunt of it.’

OMG this has nothing to do with race. Did you see how Kemi acted? She is not just a random lady, she is LOTO. She should be standing up explaining what her party would do differently and inspiring us with her leadership skills to vote for her. She did nothing like that. In fact can’t really recall her having any opinions outside of culture wars.

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Do you notice Starmer attacking, jeering every week? The condescension and arrogance. It’s ridiculous.

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