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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 14:05

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 12:27

Sorry, entire very profitable business leaves uk office space empty and moves to Dubai because of a Brexit hangover when it’s been announced that it’s to pay less business taxes and employees pay less personal taxes?

UK economy not favorable for investment. Is any major company expanding INTO UK, other than whoever imports those noisy black scooters and employs the shifty guys driving them.

brexit made us less attractive as a business centre. It’s not a sole reason, it’s part of it though

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 14:01

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 13:59

I don’t have other peoples money

No of course not, you’re ‘entitled’ to it.

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 14:01

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:53

It is if you’re expecting to live the same lifestyle as a Doctor.

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not having to house share or use food banks would be a start wouldn’t it

meanwhile the private owners of the company the carer works for is reaping it in. Whilst the tax payers have to top up the poor wages with universal credit.

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 13:59

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:58

No, that’s just another tax. I really don’t think you get it, you’ve run out of other people’s money.

I don’t have other peoples money

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:58

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 13:54

Isn’t it something like 54k before your not taking more out then in?
shall we up the minimum wage to that? Shall we make sure all the nurses, teachers, nursery staff, carers etc make that?

No, that’s just another tax. I really don’t think you get it, you’ve run out of other people’s money.

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 13:57

chaosmaker · 03/07/2025 13:38

Expecting the rich to pay more is not 'ideological spite' - proportionately the poorest pay much more of their income out in taxes. Why do you think that is right?

It doesn’t matter if anyone thinks it’s right or wrong, it’s an inescapable fact. Proportionately the poorest pay more of their income for everything - flatscreen TV’s, goats, tax, you name it…

Surely the maths wouldn’t math otherwise?

Whats your solution - pay everyone the same? A flat rate of tax for everyone? (I could probably get on board with the last one, but it’s not seen as progressive by most).

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 13:54

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:47

..,and every year those who make poor life decisions and don’t pay anything into the system whine they don’t get enough free stuff. We need one group, not so much the other.

Isn’t it something like 54k before your not taking more out then in?
shall we up the minimum wage to that? Shall we make sure all the nurses, teachers, nursery staff, carers etc make that?

ladywindemeresbucket · 03/07/2025 13:54

Alexandra2001 · 03/07/2025 08:47

What tax would you have raised nstead? given the unfunded cuts n NI by Hunt costing £10billion per year and other costs handed to the new Govt? such has pay review pay riises, perhaps you wouldn't have honoured them, that was an option.

Or would you have cut public spending?

The NI increase on business hasn't led to the collapse in the jobs market and growth has increased too.

But yes i do agree the WFA was ridiculous but that would have been run past the cabinet... they agreed to it... it shouldn't be put just on Reeves.

Well for starters I wouldn't have given such a stonking great pay rise to the train drivers without a productivity agreement.

I wouldn't have given out free school breakfast - if a parent can't give their child/children a boiled egg and some toast in the morning, they are pretty useless parents.

I wouldn't have raided the pensioners' pockets. The WFA would have been means tested - eg not for those paying tax at the higher rate

The chancellor (Hunt) described national insurance as a "tax on work" and said it he believed it was "unfair that we tax work twice" when other forms of income are only taxed once. I agree and would have left it alone.

I would have cut benefits to migrants coming over the channel, cut Foreign Aid to those countries who refuse to take back their criminals, and mobilize Border Force to raid and fine those businesses that illegally employ them.

Carwashes are being fined about £3million a year for employing illegal workers.

Fines on "Turkish" barbers brings in £29.2 million yearly. I can't find stats for "dodgy" nail bars.

If you multiply this across all sectors there's lot's of scope for raising money without penalising our old and infirm citizens

I have many friends in business who are now taking on less staff because they can't afford to pay the increases in Min Wage and NI.

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 13:53

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 13:11

I strongly dislike Angela but I don’t think we need to be commenting on her dress sense.

She dressed in a particular way to bait critics, that’s 100% certain.

Ange; “What clown dress can I wear today ? I do hope it’s mentioned so I can claim sexism and blather on about sexism for six months and possible get discount/ free designer gear for my glow-up”!

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:53

chaosmaker · 03/07/2025 13:49

Do you think going into poorly paid care work is a bad life decision?

It is if you’re expecting to live the same lifestyle as a Doctor.

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 13:52

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 13:47

How much more do you want? The demands keep going up.

The demands don’t keep going up. The fact is that there’s no money and we have a society that’s older and sicker than ever before. You were very vociferous in your criticism of the welfare bill, where do you want to see cuts? Because it’s either that or increased taxes. Of course Hunt’s £20 billion NI give away didn’t help. If I were Reeves I’d reverse that for a start.

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:51

chaosmaker · 03/07/2025 13:38

Expecting the rich to pay more is not 'ideological spite' - proportionately the poorest pay much more of their income out in taxes. Why do you think that is right?

What is your definition of rich and what is your definition of poor? Is rich someone earning £110k a year who works Monday, Tuesday and a bit of Wednesday to pay into the system before they see a penny of their salary? Is poor someone who doesn’t work at all?

You need and are going to get a good decade of learning how to support yourself again, the entitlement is mind blowing.

chaosmaker · 03/07/2025 13:49

Do you think going into poorly paid care work is a bad life decision?

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:47

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/07/2025 13:39

Every year the rich whine about what’s being taken from them. Pathetic.

..,and every year those who make poor life decisions and don’t pay anything into the system whine they don’t get enough free stuff. We need one group, not so much the other.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 13:47

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/07/2025 13:39

Every year the rich whine about what’s being taken from them. Pathetic.

How much more do you want? The demands keep going up.

Bluebellwood129 · 03/07/2025 13:39

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/07/2025 10:56

She didn’t announce she had 10 years experience. It was picked up from her old linked in profile, something about ‘best part of a decade’. I have no issue with people criticising her for that in itself. But statements about her lacking experience and not being qualified for the role, are silly.

Wrong. She said it herself in an interview - the lies came straight from her mouth. She deliberately and wilfully set out to deceive the public.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/07/2025 13:39

Every year the rich whine about what’s being taken from them. Pathetic.

chaosmaker · 03/07/2025 13:38

Expecting the rich to pay more is not 'ideological spite' - proportionately the poorest pay much more of their income out in taxes. Why do you think that is right?

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:22

tobee · 03/07/2025 10:19

The rich are not going. Don't believe the spin of the Telegraph and The Express.

Ha ha, even Labour agree they have and are going. We’ve lost more millionaires than Russia this year so far and they are in a war using conscription and under heavy economic sanctions.

Tens of thousands of millionaires have left, thousands of jobs have been lost, hundreds of businesses closed, around a hundred independent schools have closed (some have been around for over a hundred years), 13000 children have been forced out of their school and generational farms are looking their last generation. All as result of ideological spite policies.

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 13:11

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 12:30

Agree
shd has done a lot of damage to perception of women in leadership. And her mutton-dressed-as-bovine communist mate Ange mean girl smirking.

A party with no cohesiveness, that’s clear.

I strongly dislike Angela but I don’t think we need to be commenting on her dress sense.

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 12:30

Franpie · 03/07/2025 11:19

I am so fucking mad that she was crying in the chamber. I have zero sympathy for her. She has played into the hands of all the sexist, misogynistic cunts out there who say women are too emotional for high pressured roles in the workplace.

If she had a personal issue that was upsetting her then she should have excused herself before entering. Either that or fucking hold it together.

Agree
shd has done a lot of damage to perception of women in leadership. And her mutton-dressed-as-bovine communist mate Ange mean girl smirking.

A party with no cohesiveness, that’s clear.

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 12:27

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 12:10

That’s also been a hang over of Brexit though

Sorry, entire very profitable business leaves uk office space empty and moves to Dubai because of a Brexit hangover when it’s been announced that it’s to pay less business taxes and employees pay less personal taxes?

UK economy not favorable for investment. Is any major company expanding INTO UK, other than whoever imports those noisy black scooters and employs the shifty guys driving them.

party4you · 03/07/2025 12:25

EasternStandard · 03/07/2025 07:09

And you can’t read a question.

I can. You failed to understand I was calling out your hypocrisy babe

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 12:10

Chintzcardboard · 03/07/2025 11:19

They are not going to… because they have already gone … RR cannot fill the gap in taxes resulting from their departures.
its not spin

its fact - personally know 9 who have left since Aug ‘24. whole businesses have moved because it’s cheaper to run a business from country that is helping you invest in their economy.
Their UK homes are empty … tax savings helps paying to be empty. Don’t sell because no one is buying. Stagnant housing.

If you could leave and save £250k a year plus. Would you? 5 years abroad and you have a million.

Britton pushing out high earners and replacing with multiples of unskilled, uneducated hoards who do not contribute to tax base and who do not have homes.

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That’s also been a hang over of Brexit though

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 12:09

with the years of chronic underfunding for every service we have. The massive profiteering of basic utilities from private companies whilst not investing or improving.
the huge debts we now have as a result of all of the above

how is that going to be fixed?