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to believe Rachel Reeves was crying because

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LargeDeviation · 02/07/2025 19:44

  1. she was upset when Lindsay Hoyle told her to keep her answers short

  2. she had an argument with Keir Starmer (possibly about her keeping her job, or about how to handle the inevitable questions about the new £5.5bn per annum black hole) just before PMQs

  3. Keir Starmer refused to say she would keep her job in front of the whole country. If he genuinely wanted her to stay, he would just say 'of course she's going to still be Chancellor' and that would be that.

  4. she is under immense pressure because she knows she will have soon to breach her fiscal rules, she knows she is responsible for many of the decisions that will lead to that, and she knows the how serious the consequences of her failure will be. We have seen recently (even just today) how vicious the bond market can be.

In short, I believe she was crying because of professional pressures (understandable ones, though largely of her own making, and about which I have little sympathy) and not nebulous 'personal' reasons.

If her parent or partner or child or grandparent or pet is ill the natural thing is to just say 'sorry, a close relative is in hospital and my emotions got the better of me'. Everybody would understand. You don't need huge reams of evidence but you need to give the bare bones of an explanation. She is trying to style it out but we can all see through it.

I will apologise if I'm wrong but long experience shows that 'personal reasons' almost always means 'I'm skiving or jobhunting' when a colleague in the workplace uses it to excuse their time off.

I believe it means even less when uttered by a politican.

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party4you · 03/07/2025 18:58

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 17:22

Because horses for courses? I’d like to be an Olympic show jumper, but I’m a very average rider, so I did something else instead. Care is bloody hard, but low-skilled. And the same remuneration as doctors? Be serious.

Did you read what I was replying to 💔 daft reply

Teaforthetotal · 03/07/2025 18:46

neilyoungismyhero · 03/07/2025 18:32

I don't recall David Cameron breaking down in public when his son died.

It's almost like individuals react differently to different events!

MyNameIsX · 03/07/2025 18:41

neilyoungismyhero · 03/07/2025 18:32

I don't recall David Cameron breaking down in public when his son died.

That’s right.

I wonder if there is some criteria for what qualifies as crying-compliant.
A ‘rough’ day at the office = OK (evidently).

Perhaps Reeves is on to something, and it will kick-start a national campaign of people openly sobbing when things don’t go their way.

Farmers,
Pensioners
Welfare claimants
Private school kids, parents and teachers
SME-Owners
Former non-doms

All of whom surely qualify for a sob-fest?

neilyoungismyhero · 03/07/2025 18:32

I don't recall David Cameron breaking down in public when his son died.

MyNameIsX · 03/07/2025 18:31

Investors can no longer trust Labour after its multiple about-turns, bond giant Legal & General (L&G) has warned.

Sonja Laud, the chief investment officer at L&G, said the decision to abandon key benefit reforms and reverse course on winter fuel payments had destroyed faith in the Government’s economic plans.

L&G is one of Britain’s biggest investors, managing £1.1 trillion of assets. It is one of the biggest buyers of UK government debt.

Ms Laud said: “[Markets] can’t trust that what’s been put forward will be put in place. You will see the adverse reaction. It was quite a big one yesterday.”

MsOvary · 03/07/2025 18:28

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 02/07/2025 23:38

You do know that no other Chancellors, since Gordon Brown have been trained economists? RR is perhaps the most professionally trained and experienced economist we’ve ever had in the U.K. She’s worked as an economist for the Bank of England, written papers and published research. Chancellors are usually political appointees not technocrats.

She did not work as an economist - she worked in Complaints. See link below which the former Director of Operation’s at Lloyd’s Bank, where RR worked, put on his LinkedIn page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/243331015137514/posts/560488350088444/

MyNameIsX · 03/07/2025 17:36

The grown ups are in charge? That’s a laugh.

As for Reeves - wallowing in her own self-pity. How utterly undignified.

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 17:34

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:03

Then why should anyone bother going into care? Aren’t you seeing why it is an issue?

Because they don’t have to make a commitment to six years of university tuition fees and living cost loans, a very hard degree, two years of basic training on a salary not much above a carers but at a variety of locations determined by lottery, followed by possible unemployment as you compete against tens of thousands of overseas doctors who have equal priority to you. And if you get a specialist training place another six or so years of training and unsocial shift work and very expensive exams you have to pay for. Plus of course the responsibility of constantly making life or death decisions. They get to avoid all that so perhaps their renumeration should reflect it?

I think carers need to be a better recognised and paid profession but it is ridiculous to suggest they should get paid the same as doctors.

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 17:30

Me too @JohnTheRevelator but for different reasons. Zero fucks we’re given by Rach from accounts about all the children (many with SEN) who had to leave school and friends because of the VAT increase. Cruelty motivated by 6th form ideology. I’m just hoping that bursars up and down the land are planning gargantuan VAT reclaims after capital projects that will piss all over the puny little bit of extra cash this raised - enough to run about a nanosecond of the NHS.

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 17:27

Whatafustercluck · 03/07/2025 15:27

if it was a male MP showing “man emotion” yesterday, we would all have bloody well moved on by now.

We'd actually still be hearing about how refreshing it was to see a man show his feelings, about how brave and courageous he was to come into work under such strain etc etc. The double standards to which women in public office are held is staggering.

You honestly think we would be saying how wonderful it is if Starmer broke down in the House of Commons over a ‘personal issue’?

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 17:22

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:03

Then why should anyone bother going into care? Aren’t you seeing why it is an issue?

Because horses for courses? I’d like to be an Olympic show jumper, but I’m a very average rider, so I did something else instead. Care is bloody hard, but low-skilled. And the same remuneration as doctors? Be serious.

JohnTheRevelator · 03/07/2025 17:19

Try as I might,I find it very difficult to feel any sympathy for this woman. She has caused me a lot of worry and fear since the announcement in March this year about the welfare reforms, primarily the tightening of the PIP rules. I spent a a couple of months fretting about what was going to happen, fearful that we were going to given vouchers instead of money,or that the PIP application process was going to be impossibly tough. I rely on my PIP payment each month to keep my head above water. Without it,I'd be totally screwed. So sorry if I sound nasty,but I think that maybe she knows now what it feels like to be upset.

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:04

I’ve got to know though how is this worse than Boris hiding in a fridge to avoid questions? Is it becuase that’s funny for a silly man like Boris to do?

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:03

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:53

It is if you’re expecting to live the same lifestyle as a Doctor.

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Then why should anyone bother going into care? Aren’t you seeing why it is an issue?

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 03/07/2025 17:01

Bluebellwood129 · 03/07/2025 13:39

Wrong. She said it herself in an interview - the lies came straight from her mouth. She deliberately and wilfully set out to deceive the public.

Do you have a link to this? Nevertheless, as I said I’ve no issue with people criticising her on that basis. It’s the next step people take to declare she’s not qualified for the role which is egregious.

party4you · 03/07/2025 17:00

NaySaidThe · 03/07/2025 13:47

..,and every year those who make poor life decisions and don’t pay anything into the system whine they don’t get enough free stuff. We need one group, not so much the other.

Poor life decisions or lack of social mobility in the U.K.?

Teaforthetotal · 03/07/2025 16:42

@Lalgarh it would be interesting to see the impact of that action re: VAT. I guess with the cost of living crisis and lack of expendable income people have it could be risky. Still something I'd like to see at some stage.
I think a huge problem is we have to scale up defence spending dramatically in a very short time frame. Conservatives didn't bother with this during their years.

Lalgarh · 03/07/2025 16:36

Alistair Darling if memory serves temporarily cut VAT when the credit crunch hit to boost sales. If there was a rise in taxes of other sorts coming down the line a temp reduction to the old level of 17.5% might sweeten the medicine.

But you'd then be dependent on preference curves and all sorts of econometrics I only vaguely recall to assess if the cut In the former would outweigh the latter and increase revenue

Teaforthetotal · 03/07/2025 16:23

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 13:52

The demands don’t keep going up. The fact is that there’s no money and we have a society that’s older and sicker than ever before. You were very vociferous in your criticism of the welfare bill, where do you want to see cuts? Because it’s either that or increased taxes. Of course Hunt’s £20 billion NI give away didn’t help. If I were Reeves I’d reverse that for a start.

I have yet to see any workable alternative funding ideas for those against the benefits bill. No sector wants to lose money. Same with the winter fuel bill. So unsustainable.

BIossomtoes · 03/07/2025 16:17

Teaforthetotal · 03/07/2025 16:16

Couldn't agree more, a male leader showing emotion would be celebrated. Where are all of those posters who said she'd be handing in her resignation this morning?

Eating their words.

Teaforthetotal · 03/07/2025 16:16

Whatafustercluck · 03/07/2025 15:27

if it was a male MP showing “man emotion” yesterday, we would all have bloody well moved on by now.

We'd actually still be hearing about how refreshing it was to see a man show his feelings, about how brave and courageous he was to come into work under such strain etc etc. The double standards to which women in public office are held is staggering.

Couldn't agree more, a male leader showing emotion would be celebrated. Where are all of those posters who said she'd be handing in her resignation this morning?

NasiDagang · 03/07/2025 16:08

Whitehorses67 · 03/07/2025 07:10

If you can’t control your emotions in public then government isn’t the job for you.

I am still gobsmacked that a labour government targeted disabled people in the way which was attempted.

It was cruel and dishonest.

Not only was this enormous departure from what people expect of labour it was not in their manifesto and they would never have won the election had they been upfront about any such possibility.

They spun their proposed PIP cuts as a way to stop young people who claimed to have anxiety from sitting in their bedrooms gaming instead of getting a job thus using a modern stereotype they felt everyone could get behind.

The truth was that an enormous number of seriously physically and mentally disabled people of all ages, many of whom either work or have worked until prevented by disability, would lose the essential benefit which enables them to live.

It remains to be seen how this situation will unfold after the forced grudging agreement to limit cuts to future claimants and of a review in partnership with disabled people but even if ultimately no cuts are made (unlikely) this government has shown it is not to be trusted to behave in line with labour principles.

I honestly don’t know what they stand for at all.

I understand that the country was run into the ground by numerous tory governments so something needs to change to get us out of the hole but it is disgusting to use the most vulnerable in society as a ladder.

Therefore it will be a cold day in hell before I have any sympathy for the people responsible for this travesty.

Whatever Rachel Reeves is crying about at least she doesn’t have to worry that she can’t afford to pay her carers, or leave her house, or choose whether to heat or eat all whilst living with chronic pain and life limiting illness.

Nailed the point.👏👏

Whatafustercluck · 03/07/2025 15:27

Vinvertebrate · 03/07/2025 10:06

I’m a centrist who voted Tory until the one-man fiasco that was Boris. I don’t want to pay more tax and think RR is demonstrably wrong about pretty much everything, not bright or experienced enough to be chancellor and lacks even a smudge of gravitas. BUT the sexism in lots of the commentary about her tears is off the scale. I’m old enough to recall Heseltine losing his mind in the HoC (hence the Tarzan nickname), not to mention MP’s head butting, napping, watching porn, playing candy crush…. the response to all of which was an eye-roll and occasionally a piss-takey nickname. Yes the markets were spooked, gilts are now looking worse than when Truss was racing a lettuce, but equally if it was a male MP showing “man emotion” yesterday, we would all have bloody well moved on by now.

if it was a male MP showing “man emotion” yesterday, we would all have bloody well moved on by now.

We'd actually still be hearing about how refreshing it was to see a man show his feelings, about how brave and courageous he was to come into work under such strain etc etc. The double standards to which women in public office are held is staggering.

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 14:31

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 14:13

Did it? Why do you say that?

Because we were an English speaking country inside the European Union, so businesses could base themselves here and have all the perks and access to the Union. It was easy for business to be done between USA and Britain, and then onto Europe.
with that commerce came high paid individuals who would be paying high taxes and then onto that they would employ people / use services etc

with Brexit we lost that advantage

Dwimmer · 03/07/2025 14:13

FatherFrosty · 03/07/2025 14:05

brexit made us less attractive as a business centre. It’s not a sole reason, it’s part of it though

Did it? Why do you say that?

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