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To ask what jobs people secretly (or not so secretly) look down on and why?

311 replies

ForBreezySloth · 02/07/2025 19:27

We’re always told “all work is valuable” and I do agree in principle, but if we’re honest, most of us have a job or two we side-eye, even if we don’t say it out loud. Is it how people behave in the role? The pay vs attitude? The ethics of the job itself?

AIBU to think it’s okay to admit we have judgements - as long as we’re willing to examine them?

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WunTooThree · 02/07/2025 23:27

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 23:12

Wtf iv had dealings with some absolutely amazing police officers. We need social workers as their is a significant amount of child abuse that needs stopping

We need both of those roles existing anyway.
If you are a victim of crime, who else will you call?

WitchOfSomorrostro · 02/07/2025 23:27

Teachers. Whiny annoying bastards. Usually on a power trip. Overstated importance, massive egos, sticks up their asses. And they don't work nearly as much as they say they do, not even close. My mother has been one for the past 30 years.

Sex workers. Of any kind. Porn, onlyfans, strippers, prostitutes, escorts, sugar-babies, whatever. Both women and men. Gross and shameful, I don't care how much they earn and how 'successful' they are.

Cattenberg · 02/07/2025 23:26

I see it as kind of a supply and demand pyramid. The more potential candidates that can do that job , the less the pay.

Generally, I agree with you, but I think that TV and film actors and TV presenters don't tend to fit this pattern. There's a huge number of people wanting to become either and who are prepared to go to drama school or university to learn their craft. Even if we agree that only a minority have the right aptitude, there are still far more people who could do these jobs than there are vacancies. And yet, they tend to be paid extremely well.

mummysmagicmedicine · 02/07/2025 23:25

I say this as a lawyer (not in criminal sector) but criminal defence lawyers. How can one defend a murderer/paedofile etc

ForBreezySloth · 02/07/2025 23:25

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19ptrialprice · 02/07/2025 23:25

Anything admin/office based without seniority. Not important. AI will take over their jobs. Will become unemployed in the next few years. SAHM. You’re not getting paid, it’s not a job.

Aptapt · 02/07/2025 23:22

MindBodySoul · 02/07/2025 19:36

Influencers and reality tv people

This ^

SquishedMallow · 02/07/2025 23:22

yikesnotagain · 02/07/2025 23:00

Well. This is going to be controversial and perhaps ruffle some feathers. And I'd like to clarify that I don't look down on people for actually doing these jobs.

But, I kinda think we've created a society where are are a LOT of "bullshit" jobs out there. Essentially just busywork. Stuff to keep people earning a salary and contributing taxes, but outputs that don't actually make much of a positive contribution to society or the planet. So, doctors, teachers, most tradespeople, scientists, bin men, cleaners, supermarket staff - all examples of absolutely not bullshit jobs. But if someone suddenly eradicated all unnecessary middle management positions, would it make much difference to the planet? What about advertising or marketing for products or services that don't actually significantly improve people's lives (which is probably the majority of things actually)? Or those kinds of corporate roles where, when someone tells you their job title, it just sounds like a bunch of random corporatey buzz words strung together and gives you absolutely no indication what the role actually is?

The idea that being busy and working hard and having a strong work ethic seems like a good thing, but what if all those efforts do nothing to actually serve society or in fact just make things overall slightly worse, or line the pockets of a few more rich old white guys?

This is something I think about a lot. I remember finishing university and suddenly feeling terrified that it was quite likely I was going to end up doing some sort of "bullshit" job for the rest of my working life (so, the younger, fitter, best years), just in order to pay the bills. Do I have a better solution? Nope!

I agree with your post. But just have to point out , please don't repeat the 'old white guys' trope ...

It's used more and more as a self flagellating racist remark from white people to other white people and it's gaining traction. If it's not ok to mention colour if you worked with say a lazy bunch of men that happened to be black - it's not ok to bring up the race of men in certain jobs. The race of businessman has no relevance. The richest men in the world are mostly Asian descent /arab.

Let's not start letting it be acceptable to do a race to the bottom with the acceptability of "old white guy" . Sorry for the rant here,but felt it needed saying.

Ladamesansmerci · 02/07/2025 23:19

The door to door people who sell things like credit cards. Though the side eye is more at the employer tbh, who usually exploits people.

Not me personally, but I think a lot of people look down on jobs like cleaning.

I hardcore judge investment bankers. I definitely hardscore side eye defense lawyers in some instances. It's fresh in my mind as my friend's dad was recently convicted of child sexual abuse, and the defense lawyer argued the victim was promiscuous. She was fucking 11 years old.

I also think a lot of middle management pen pushing type roles are bullshit.

HonkyDonkey · 02/07/2025 23:19

YouWillFindMeInTheGarden · 02/07/2025 22:16

Any WFH jobs

Can I ask why?

If I didn't have the ability to WFH then I wouldn't be able to work and contribute to society at all.

I'd end up stuck at home claiming disability benefits and labelled a scrounger instead.

blueshoes · 02/07/2025 23:19

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imcountingtothree123 · 02/07/2025 23:18

Fortune tellers or any of that crap

Cattenberg · 02/07/2025 23:18

The kind of solicitors and accountants who specialise in helping the rich avoid tax

Any job that involves marketing for a tobacco company, especially in poorer countries (yes, I saw the Linked in profile for someone who had the job of finding new markets for cigarettes in Africa)

Certain MPs. Looking at the voting record for my previous (Tory) MP, I'd say he did a small amount of good and much harm.

SquishedMallow · 02/07/2025 23:16

blueshoes · 02/07/2025 23:04

Sorry for your bad experiences but you do not know all divorce lawyers. They are bound by a professional ethical code and regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority to whom you can complain.

This isn't my experience. I've never been divorced.

boujeewooje · 02/07/2025 23:16

yikesnotagain · 02/07/2025 23:00

Well. This is going to be controversial and perhaps ruffle some feathers. And I'd like to clarify that I don't look down on people for actually doing these jobs.

But, I kinda think we've created a society where are are a LOT of "bullshit" jobs out there. Essentially just busywork. Stuff to keep people earning a salary and contributing taxes, but outputs that don't actually make much of a positive contribution to society or the planet. So, doctors, teachers, most tradespeople, scientists, bin men, cleaners, supermarket staff - all examples of absolutely not bullshit jobs. But if someone suddenly eradicated all unnecessary middle management positions, would it make much difference to the planet? What about advertising or marketing for products or services that don't actually significantly improve people's lives (which is probably the majority of things actually)? Or those kinds of corporate roles where, when someone tells you their job title, it just sounds like a bunch of random corporatey buzz words strung together and gives you absolutely no indication what the role actually is?

The idea that being busy and working hard and having a strong work ethic seems like a good thing, but what if all those efforts do nothing to actually serve society or in fact just make things overall slightly worse, or line the pockets of a few more rich old white guys?

This is something I think about a lot. I remember finishing university and suddenly feeling terrified that it was quite likely I was going to end up doing some sort of "bullshit" job for the rest of my working life (so, the younger, fitter, best years), just in order to pay the bills. Do I have a better solution? Nope!

Yesss those sorts of jobs where they seem to just fart about on a laptop and I always wonder ‘but what is it you actually do’

Wolfpinkola · 02/07/2025 23:16

I worked for a few large corps back in the day - bbc, Vodafone, o2 and found the middle managers in these sort of places did very little. I was in a team of freelancers and we did very little as well. Sometimes we did nothing for months and months & we were on a high day rate too - this is 15 years ago now. I don’t think this is discussed enough. Loads of jobs are complete BS and just a way of running budgets down and reducing a companies tax bill.

SquishedMallow · 02/07/2025 23:13

CluelessAboutBiology · 02/07/2025 22:34

@Berryslacks Many of the most important jobs in society caring, cleaning, emptying bins and cleaning the streets, working in a sewerage works or a rubbish tip are looked down on by some people.

I don’t understand why jobs like these, that are physically hard to do and not many people want to do, are paid so poorly. Surely if it’s a job that people don’t want to do, they should be paid a lot, not paid NMW.

Unfortunately it boils down to how 'skilled' the job is. The more niche the skill the more it'll be paid. It's a bit like supply and demand.

So : who can be a refuse collector? What skills and qualifications do they need ? (Likely no formal ones ) Probably physical ability to lift and carry etc and adequate communication skills. How many people will fit that skill set ? A lot. So supply is big.

A consultant urologist ? Skills : qualified doctor. Many post grad years of experience. Post graduation additional qualifications and training. Leadership experience. Probably research publications and evidence of a mastery of the research in that field. As well as all of the other interpersonal and professional non specific skills. How many people have those skills ? A small selection. People from far and wide that have these skills will apply. So your candidates are going to be the 'cream of the crop' applying. So competitive. Therefore the pay will reflect that.

I see it as kind of a supply and demand pyramid. The more potential candidates that can do that job , the less the pay.

I always think the people with much more average jobs have a better work/life balance and reap the rewards in other areas. It must be lovely to go home after a day's work and your job is parked up for the night with no extra thought for it. Lot to be said for that.

Also tradespeople often have lovely, genuine friendships at work/"banter". Whereas in more professional jobs , a lot of it is pretentious wankery (including my own field 😆)

DiscoBob · 02/07/2025 23:12

Landlord.
Debt collector.
Reform MP.
Slaughterhouse owner.
Jeff Bezos.
Elon Musk.
Banker who helps rich people dodge their taxes.
Cosmetic surgeon.
Arms Dealer.

KaleQueen · 02/07/2025 23:12

SquishedMallow · 02/07/2025 22:45

More fool them.

My brother is an electrical engineer (he's never been to uni but got A* in maths and all sciences at school) he went on to get HNC/HND. He owns a house worth an eye watering amount and bought his first home at age 22 (detached). He's one of the most clever yet practical people I know.

Why on earth uni and desky jobs with degrees are so brainwashed into the middle classes - ill never know.

I also don't see how trades are not skilled work ? Can anyone here fit a heating system ? Pave a driveway ? Build a home extension ?

Yet I'm the skilled one because I can write an assignment full of fluff at MSc level. I think it's a disservice to trades people to be honest to class them as less 'skilled' / less 'clever'. I'm academic minded, but I'm useless as shit when it comes to practical skills. I find it absurd that we value academia more than actual practical skills.

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Love this. So right ❤️

HRTQueen · 02/07/2025 23:12

Bailiff for people with personal debts

alexalisten · 02/07/2025 23:12

WooleyMunky · 02/07/2025 22:51

Police.
Social workers.

Wtf iv had dealings with some absolutely amazing police officers. We need social workers as their is a significant amount of child abuse that needs stopping

Gattopardo · 02/07/2025 23:12

@AlastheDaffodils yes, I probably expressed it clumsily, I need to be clearer about what I mean.

I understand commercial lending is part and parcel of life, and that venture capitalists and your day-to-day underwriters/ risk assessors/lenders are not performing the same functions. But it’s not so outrageous to say people lending on the basis of interest and hoped-for future revenue are unethical. There is a whole major world religion with this as a pretty core belief ;) plus, your jobbing finance professionals who make lending decisions aren’t operating in a vacuum. Generally they are working for organisations backed by international conglomerates whose stock in trade is profit maximisation.

The reason I mentioned PFI is because PFI investors were often positioned as the ethical face of capitalism, and yet I’m not so sure this has been realised. Yes, we got new public sector buildings and services but we paid for it through higher-cost PFI contracts, and sometimes the buildings have not been very good quality, meaning we are facing an unfortunate maintenance legacy down the line.

blueshoes · 02/07/2025 23:10

TempestTost · 02/07/2025 23:04

Agree also. I think there are a lot of jobs that have essentially been created to keep middle of the road university graduates employed in white collar work.

I cannot see how a private company would create a job just to keep somebody employed if there wasn't an actual use even if it was reputational, regulatory or paperwork created by the government. This company would go bust quite soon.

I cannot speak for the public / civil service.

ForeverDelayedEpiphany · 02/07/2025 23:10

IwasDueANameChange · 02/07/2025 20:27

  • Mlm
  • Influencers
  • Unsolicited selling in any form
  • Estate agents
  • Some fields of academic research that strike me as rather self indulgent
  • people who are "self employed" making pocket money as vinted sellers or candle makers etc, usually making less than minimum wage per hour after costs
  • life or career coaches
  • jobs in "policy" in these slightly pointless quasi public sector quangos you can't believe receive funding to exist

What's wrong with the people who are earning from Vinted etc? Do you mean using it as their only source of income, or their extra side hustle?

I get a bit more money just from selling my clothes on Vinted, but it's not something I want to do full time. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it per se though.

5128gap · 02/07/2025 23:10

Whatever the people do next door on the floor below. Because you get to see all sorts. We saw the dark haired lady who wears the nice shoes get given a present last week and they have Krispy Kremes every Friday.