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To think men shouldn’t serve on juries in sex trafficking and violence against women cases?

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ForBluntBronzeWren · 02/07/2025 16:30

I’ve been following the Diddy verdict and one detail sticks in my throat: the jury was 8 men and 4 women. Given the charges - sex trafficking, violence, coercion, it’s hard not to think the gender balance shaped the outcome.

Yes, some charges stuck. But major ones didn’t and I can’t help but feel we wouldn’t have seen the same result with a jury that better reflected the gravity of gender-based violence.

AIBU to think there’s something fundamentally flawed when those most likely to downplay or rationalise male violence are the ones deciding the verdict? Or is that unfair?

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KrisAkabusi · 02/07/2025 17:05

Studies have shown that female jurors are more likely to find a defendant not guilty of rape than male ones. The theory is that way they can mentally blame the woman for what happened rather than thinking "it could happen to anyone including me".

Izz81 · 02/07/2025 17:04

I think the jury should be well vetted to make sure there is no history of anything that could cloud their mind in the case. I also think the jury should be well assessed for how they are intellectually, are they able to retain info, are they able to sit for long periods of time and maintain concentration….It would be hard to use an argument to remove all
men from a jury though, I just think they need to be competent but Im unsure if there is a competency test for jurors in the US…They should have that though and over here.

greencartbluecart · 02/07/2025 16:55

You wonder if havibg assertive men in a jury affects women’s things ? Wonder? Highly probable

Cerialkiller · 02/07/2025 16:53

Also I have seen that women are more likely to change their mind during the jury process. They begin by having a harsher rate of conviction then men and this reduced after discussion. I wonder if having male jury members influences the behaviour of women in the jury.

Sirzy · 02/07/2025 16:53

I don’t think setting up jury with the intention of it being biased is a good starting point for justice.

19ptrialprice · 02/07/2025 16:51

YellowGrey · 02/07/2025 16:47

When my friend served on the jury of a rape case (in the UK), he said that more of the women on the jury were leaning towards a not guilty verdict than the men. (They found him guilty in the end.)

Victim blaming really.

Cerialkiller · 02/07/2025 16:51

Just done some googling.

Studies are very varied. There is a US studies that suggests that a victim/defendant (eg in the case of a homeowner shooting a burgler) the woman shooter is judged way more harshly then a man shooter, and often this comes from the female jury members.

Obviously just one case but I'm not convinced that diddy would be any worse off with a jury of women.

The jury of woman are also likely to judge the victims based on their worthyness based on how much they 'deserved it'. Went willingly to a diddy party, you knew what he was like? We what did you expect (shrug). Hard to know if a UK jury without such an entrenched religious right would do similarly but who knows.

YellowGrey · 02/07/2025 16:47

When my friend served on the jury of a rape case (in the UK), he said that more of the women on the jury were leaning towards a not guilty verdict than the men. (They found him guilty in the end.)

ForBluntBronzeWren · 02/07/2025 16:47

Cerialkiller · 02/07/2025 16:40

Hmm I'm not convinced that a jury of mainly women would have got a much better result.

Plenty of women make excuses for men or would try to be compassionate to them over other women. Is it worse then men would do? Don't know, it would be a very interesting experiment in going to do some googling.

Fair point, internalised bias isn’t exclusive to men. But I do think we underestimate how differently men and women tend to perceive coercion, power and threat in cases like this. When it comes to sex trafficking or systemic abuse of women, male jurors often just don’t carry the same instincts or lived understanding. That doesn’t make all women ‘better’ jurors but gender balance (or female-majority panels) can deeply shape the lens through which evidence is interpreted.

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CompetePrettyWell · 02/07/2025 16:47

There is the ability to object to jury members. There are more potential members in situ before any case starts and changes can be made.

Not sure but there must be rules around it though.

Clearly the legal teams accepted the makeup of the jury.

19ptrialprice · 02/07/2025 16:46

Sparkiest · 02/07/2025 16:41

That’s a terrible idea, I think. The whole point of a jury is that they are chosen at random, not picked especially because they’re more likely to have a particular view. Sounds like a way to guarantee a mistrial.

They are picked after they are selected at random.

19ptrialprice · 02/07/2025 16:45

Final selection of jurors in America are picked, it isn’t random. These rich lawyers will have selected them for a reason. Yes, I do think men should serve on sex trafficking and violent cases of women. Some women will only ever blame the women due to internalised misogyny. A father, however could have more empathy if they are persuaded to imagine their daughter as a victim. Jury selection is about manipulation.

Hereward1332 · 02/07/2025 16:44

Although he is a despicable human being, you are suggesting jury selection should be based on those most likely to find a defendant guilty. Random selection is the only reasonable basis to run the courts,

Boomer55 · 02/07/2025 16:44

Most men are decent human beings.

WasThatACorner · 02/07/2025 16:43

I don't think any man can comprehend what it is to be a woman which includes living with the threat of / experience of sexual violence and exploitation.

The other side of that is that men would probably feel it unfair that they are being judged solely by women.

However, jury selection is used by both sides to try to remove anyone with a particular leaning either way. Which would leave you with women who have answered that they have not and do not know anyone who has been impacted by these issues. Making it less certain that they would fully be able to empathise with the victims.

Sparkiest · 02/07/2025 16:41

That’s a terrible idea, I think. The whole point of a jury is that they are chosen at random, not picked especially because they’re more likely to have a particular view. Sounds like a way to guarantee a mistrial.

Cerialkiller · 02/07/2025 16:40

Hmm I'm not convinced that a jury of mainly women would have got a much better result.

Plenty of women make excuses for men or would try to be compassionate to them over other women. Is it worse then men would do? Don't know, it would be a very interesting experiment in going to do some googling.

Ablondiebutagoody · 02/07/2025 16:37

I'm no legal eagle but would have thought the prosecution team would have had something to say about it if it was considered a problem.