Two Tier’s days are numbered

You insist it's Labour supporters who notice bots and shills. I'm not a Labour supporter, I've said that, and still you insist they're all out to get you.

Labour are not perfect but all the other options are far, far worse.

I think the “bot” thing gets thrown from all corners of the political spectrum. I definitely don’t like it when people do it. I quite enjoy…or at least like to reflect on everyone’s views and opinions because otherwise I’m just in my own little social echo chamber. I do think you’re wrong though about there being a lack of intellectual debate. I’ve seen some good and thoughtful posts from all sides on here in the last few days.

Yep

Except you what?

ETA I’m talking about posts like yours earlier describing other posters btw

@ColinOfficeTrolley , just because you assert something as fact it does not make it so. It’s actually extremely lazy (and importantly erroneous) to brand all those who have a different viewpoint to you as ‘thick’. It reflects rather badly on your ability for reasoned argument.
I do understand why people employ this tactic though you’re all panicking over the outcome of the next General Election. It’s a quite clever ruse, no one wants to be regarded as thick, illiterate or ignorant and so you and those like you repeatedly state that those who support something you oppose, in this case Reform, possess all those negative and undesirable traits. I imagine you hope that it will put people off even considering Reform as an option.
Did you as a child encounter the story of The Emperor’s New Clothes? It only takes one small voice to speak the truth, one brave or innocent soul for everyone to acknowledge it. That voice has spoken, the truth is out and you cannot now silence it. Roll on 2029. 😉

Well except me, but don't let facts stand in the way of your fantasy victimhood!

It’s embarrassing that even now that is their only intellectual answer. Howling usually incorrectly that the poster is a bot. Of late it’s now ‘reform’ bot added for variety.

What’s with this bot stuff. Always Labour posters doing it.

Considering we have had 2 heatwaves already during June, we have to take notice of our climate and Ed Miliband isn’t wrong to be moving us away from fossil fuels.
Labour are a better bet than any other party for this country. Reform being the worst bet by a million miles.
This OP is probably a Farage bot winding us all up.

You must mix in very different circles than I do. Where I am, people can't get a ' low skilled' care job because it's easier and cheaper to recruit from abroad, rather than investing in training UK citizens to work in this field. It's another lazy trope put out there that people are turning down this work because they ' don't want to': reality is, they can't get their foot in the door in the first place!

@Quirkswork
Indeed…I know that I would be mortified! I’ve cried in front of my boss in the past (bloody menopause) and it floored my confidence. But she’s human. Better that than someone with no emotions or feelings.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg33njxve0t

Multiple colleagues and allies of Rachel Reeves in Parliament are blaming an altercation with the Speaker of the Commons, Lindsay Hoyle, for her tearful appearance in the House of Commons.
Several have accused him of having been abrupt with the chancellor in a meeting before Prime Minister's Questions.
It is thought to have been about an interaction they had during Treasury questions yesterday in which Hoyle asked her to give shorter answers.
However no-one who the BBC has spoken to is claiming to have witnessed the interaction personally. The chancellor's team has declined to comment.

I suppose it doen't preclude a personal issue on top of what ever's going on - but why the briefing against the speaker by allies?

well she’s been given the kicking of a lifetime by her own party, what can you expect?

Really bad timing though. I have to say, despite not being a Labour supporter, I really felt for her. How awful to have to try not to cry when the cameras are aiming straight at you.

@Quirkswork
Yes me too…hope the personal issue isn’t anything serious. I think it would look bad if she were crying in parliament, but letting a tear or two escape obviously not as bad.

While I hope Rachel Reeves is OK (if it is a personal issue) I'm not sure it's a great look crying in Parliament. Doesn't fill everyone with confidence 😬

Until 2013 if the important bit. I'm bored of this now so fire way at will.

Yes, those low skilled care workers, the ones most mumsnetters want to keep sponsoring into the country, since they won’t take care of their ageing parents (as seen in other threads)

All the parties are utterly shite, and this comes from a lifelong Labour voter. I do NOT want reform in, they will be an utter disaster for the nhs and welfare, but I'm horrifyingly, coming around to the idea that maybe that's what we need. Perhaps it's the only option - let them do a term and hopefully shake the others into assembling parties with policies that the people actually want.

She voted in favour of the Bill, didn't she? What proof do you have that she orchestrated the rebellion?

My point stands. Currently Westminster do not offer life long tenancies. Under a Labour triad this is now about to become policy.

Until 2013 (with a Tory government and mayor) Westminster Council operated a policy of lifetime tenancies. They changed their policy to flexible tenancies. This hasn’t worked so they’re reverting to the original policy they had when both the government and mayoralty were Tory.

And of course you don’t want to talk about Porter. It was highly inconvenient of me to have mentioned her.

Least worst option in my opinion. It’s a really tough time to govern and I honestly can’t see any of the parties doing a better job. No one has a compelling vision for a way out of this mess so I’ll take mediocre over batshit Trumpian style craziness any day of the week. People who think this is bad do you honestly think this is as bad as it can get?