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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Bridport · 02/07/2025 17:16

"you’re all panicking over the outcome of the next General Election."

I genuinely don't think anyone is 'panicking' over an event that's not due to happen for 4 years. There's more going on right now in the wider world to worry about.

It's also fair to say that Farage and other Reform MPs have 4 years left to prove what they can do in their roles. I remain interested to see what value they add for the people who voted for them.

Lots of time for it all to shake down.

Ilovemyshed · 02/07/2025 17:15

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

Actually, only as a caretaker until a Labour leadership election took place.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 17:14

Nickisli1 · 02/07/2025 17:01

You say that but you genuinely have no idea of tge alternatives because Farage and reform have not published policies (its all rhetorical arguments about 'broken britain') and neither have Badenock and tories. You are making an assumption that there is a better alternative

I wouldn't vote for any left of centre party. Labour don't represent the interests of working people and the Lib Dems don't know what a woman is. So it will definitely be either Conservative or Reform.

Ilovemyshed · 02/07/2025 17:14

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 06:53

There is no way Raynor would get as far as being PM.

Many people said there was no way Trump would be president.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 17:12

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/07/2025 17:01

I’m a working person paying a lot of tax. I don’t feel “nailed down” by tax. I feel nailed down by what Kwarteng and Truss did to interest rates!

Good for you. I don't aim to persuade anyone as to how to vote. I'm just saying Labour does not represent the majority of people like me (as shown in the polls).

DryDay · 02/07/2025 17:06

Praying KS can hang on. AR would be an embarrassment.

I like Wes Streeting - I believe he has a good heart - but he’s not got any real economic experience in the commercial/ corporate world. He’s from a student politics background - woefully unworldly.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 17:05

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/07/2025 17:00

There are.

Obviously not everyone commenting on everything is a troll, but it’s very hard to know which is which sometimes, and there are enough trolls to have a profound effect on the views of others.

The “everyone hates Labour” myth is self perpetuating unfortunately- the trolls and bots start posting and commenting and others thing that’s the “correct” point of view to take, and jump on.

Obviously not everyone hates Labour on mn. It’s still quite pro Labour / Starmer generally.

It is out of step with polls though, and Labour supporters seeing trolls at every non Labour post is on nearly every thread.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/07/2025 17:01

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 16:57

I'm a working person, nailed down by tax, running a small business in the private sector. I employ people. I don't claim benefits. I'm not an illegal immigrant.

Unfortunately, modern Labour doesn't represent people like me. It's not a government that works for people like me. It works against me. So the alternative would naturally be better

I’m a working person paying a lot of tax. I don’t feel “nailed down” by tax. I feel nailed down by what Kwarteng and Truss did to interest rates!

Nickisli1 · 02/07/2025 17:01

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 16:57

I'm a working person, nailed down by tax, running a small business in the private sector. I employ people. I don't claim benefits. I'm not an illegal immigrant.

Unfortunately, modern Labour doesn't represent people like me. It's not a government that works for people like me. It works against me. So the alternative would naturally be better

You say that but you genuinely have no idea of tge alternatives because Farage and reform have not published policies (its all rhetorical arguments about 'broken britain') and neither have Badenock and tories. You are making an assumption that there is a better alternative

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 02/07/2025 17:00

BurntBroccoli · 02/07/2025 16:40

Yes I agree. It’s part of the Reform spiel on all social media backed by shady donations.

There are.

Obviously not everyone commenting on everything is a troll, but it’s very hard to know which is which sometimes, and there are enough trolls to have a profound effect on the views of others.

The “everyone hates Labour” myth is self perpetuating unfortunately- the trolls and bots start posting and commenting and others thing that’s the “correct” point of view to take, and jump on.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 16:57

Nickisli1 · 02/07/2025 16:52

I've been disappointed with labour, BUT they are a million times better than the alternative (awful farage or badenoch) and i think we are extremely fortunate in the UK when compared to places like USA. It seems insane to me that anyone who is unhappy with labour would vote for farage who will double down on all the negative things

I'm a working person, nailed down by tax, running a small business in the private sector. I employ people. I don't claim benefits. I'm not an illegal immigrant.

Unfortunately, modern Labour doesn't represent people like me. It's not a government that works for people like me. It works against me. So the alternative would naturally be better

Nickisli1 · 02/07/2025 16:52

I've been disappointed with labour, BUT they are a million times better than the alternative (awful farage or badenoch) and i think we are extremely fortunate in the UK when compared to places like USA. It seems insane to me that anyone who is unhappy with labour would vote for farage who will double down on all the negative things

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:49

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 16:16

There are a number of far right trolls posting on these boards.

Anyone who describes the current Labour government as 'far left' is not a serious person. They're either a witless teenager who's been radicalised by social media, a troll, or someone who's spent so much time reading the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express/The Sun, that they've completely lost touch with reality.

People are bad at hearing other views. It always ends with a troll accusation.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 16:46

BurntBroccoli · 02/07/2025 16:40

Yes I agree. It’s part of the Reform spiel on all social media backed by shady donations.

What's the definition of "far left " though?Kemi Badenoch got called far right fairly frequently so it's hard to know where the Overton window is.

BurntBroccoli · 02/07/2025 16:40

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 16:16

There are a number of far right trolls posting on these boards.

Anyone who describes the current Labour government as 'far left' is not a serious person. They're either a witless teenager who's been radicalised by social media, a troll, or someone who's spent so much time reading the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express/The Sun, that they've completely lost touch with reality.

Yes I agree. It’s part of the Reform spiel on all social media backed by shady donations.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 16:39

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:14

Take it up with mnhq in the specific posters you mean then.

I'm not really that bothered. It's just part of life.

BurntBroccoli · 02/07/2025 16:38

tripleginandtonic · 02/07/2025 07:02

I'm no Kier Starmer fan, but you sound unhinged OP.

Just sounds like the usual Reform rants on Facebook.

Poynsettia · 02/07/2025 16:26

Shenmen · 02/07/2025 06:43

I haven't been impressed yet at all. However, nothing has been as bad as the last at least five years of Tory insanity so it is a marked step up from that. It's a lot of mess to unpick.

Lord help us if they don't start sorting themselves out and we end up with reform (we will then find out what incompetent looks like). I can't believe Labour didn't have a more clear coherent plan given the 100 years in the wilderness.

It isn’t the lack of a plan it’s a lack of money and promising not to put up taxes - but if they hadn’t proised not to put up taxes they might not have got in. Or at least not with a big majority -which now proves could have been a good thing. As the nba kbenchers are blocking any progress.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:24

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 16:16

There are a number of far right trolls posting on these boards.

Anyone who describes the current Labour government as 'far left' is not a serious person. They're either a witless teenager who's been radicalised by social media, a troll, or someone who's spent so much time reading the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express/The Sun, that they've completely lost touch with reality.

Which posters. Can you specify?

Icanthinkformyselfthanks · 02/07/2025 16:22

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 16:16

There are a number of far right trolls posting on these boards.

Anyone who describes the current Labour government as 'far left' is not a serious person. They're either a witless teenager who's been radicalised by social media, a troll, or someone who's spent so much time reading the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express/The Sun, that they've completely lost touch with reality.

@Sabire9 , you are quite correct our present excuse for a government are not far left. Perhaps the ‘trolls’ to whom you refer are a bit miffed to be called ‘far right’ which they clearly are not. The irony. 🙄

bombastix · 02/07/2025 16:19

Agree on far left @Sabire9

This government is nowhere close to that. People who say it is have no idea what that really looks like in practice

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 16:16

There are a number of far right trolls posting on these boards.

Anyone who describes the current Labour government as 'far left' is not a serious person. They're either a witless teenager who's been radicalised by social media, a troll, or someone who's spent so much time reading the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Express/The Sun, that they've completely lost touch with reality.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 16:14

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 16:09

And said it's Labour supporters.

It's 2025. The insistence that there are no bots posting on sites like this is naive. Shills too of course, it's how the world works now. We have to keep up.

Take it up with mnhq in the specific posters you mean then.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 16:09

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 15:56

Not me. Unless you’re saying you did mean that?

I have picked you and others up on using it generally for other posters.

And said it's Labour supporters.

It's 2025. The insistence that there are no bots posting on sites like this is naive. Shills too of course, it's how the world works now. We have to keep up.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 15:56

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 15:54

You insist it's Labour supporters who notice bots and shills. I'm not a Labour supporter, I've said that, and still you insist they're all out to get you.

Not me. Unless you’re saying you did mean that?

I have picked you and others up on using it generally for other posters.

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