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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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BlueJuniper94 · 02/07/2025 19:17

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:16

No, I’m specifically asking if Raynor is a nickname, or a misspelling. I thought I was very clear.

I think it's just a misspelling, is that really what you consider to be the most salient issue here?

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:16

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 19:11

Are you really asking that when they Tories are assigned loads of nicknames? When they were in power, the threads were never ending and they were far from respectful.

No, I’m specifically asking if Raynor is a nickname, or a misspelling. I thought I was very clear.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:15

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 19:08

Well you could.stop it or at least reduce it if you actually enforced the border like any other country does. Eg with guards. The hero of (some) on this thread who love mince says it would be very easy to actually physically stop the boats from crossing. It can't be right that if you set off in a boat from France you get waived in to the UK if your boat isn't up to scratch.

We haven’t managed to completely stop illegal migration in all of this nation’s history! And I don’t think many countries actually manage to completely stop it either, though hard to compare given the intricacies of policy and geography.

i assume you’re referring to Dominic Cummings, though I’m not sure he’s anyone’s hero. Well, perhaps his own. What does he know about border security?

Nobody gets waved in, and absolutely nobody gets waived in. Everyone who arrives on a small boat is detained.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 19:11

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:09

Is Raynor some kind of nickname, or just a misspelling? Loads of anti-Labour posters seem to do it so I’m not sure.

(It’s not exclusive to you, your post is just the latest to do so.)

Are you really asking that when they Tories are assigned loads of nicknames? When they were in power, the threads were never ending and they were far from respectful.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 19:11

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:09

Is Raynor some kind of nickname, or just a misspelling? Loads of anti-Labour posters seem to do it so I’m not sure.

(It’s not exclusive to you, your post is just the latest to do so.)

It’s pretty constant. I bet it drives her mad.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:09

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 19:01

Well Trump earned the presidency, even the inept Labour Party know Raynor couldn't be trusted to be anywhere near such a similar position.

Is Raynor some kind of nickname, or just a misspelling? Loads of anti-Labour posters seem to do it so I’m not sure.

(It’s not exclusive to you, your post is just the latest to do so.)

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 19:08

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:03

You can’t ‘stop’ illegal migration, any more than you can stop any other illegal activity. You can punish it, deter it and limit it through prevention but you can’t stop it so if that’s your measure of success, it will never be met.

ironically though, one way to reduce illegal migration is to create safe and legal routes.
People could then apply from either their own or a safe country and then travel if approved. It worked with Ukrainians and there was broad public support for that scheme. On any view, that was a ‘better asylum system’ than that available to others fleeing conflict or hunger. But somehow I doubt that’s what you’re advocating.

Well you could.stop it or at least reduce it if you actually enforced the border like any other country does. Eg with guards. The hero of (some) on this thread who love mince says it would be very easy to actually physically stop the boats from crossing. It can't be right that if you set off in a boat from France you get waived in to the UK if your boat isn't up to scratch.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:03

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:57

Stopping illegal immigration.

Reducing numbers of legal migration significantly. Ie the huge tick.in immigration was due to Boris Johnson. Increase the time.period before people get indefinite leave to remain which should hopefully kick some of the benefits Bill can down the road.

Better asylum system.

You can’t ‘stop’ illegal migration, any more than you can stop any other illegal activity. You can punish it, deter it and limit it through prevention but you can’t stop it so if that’s your measure of success, it will never be met.

ironically though, one way to reduce illegal migration is to create safe and legal routes.
People could then apply from either their own or a safe country and then travel if approved. It worked with Ukrainians and there was broad public support for that scheme. On any view, that was a ‘better asylum system’ than that available to others fleeing conflict or hunger. But somehow I doubt that’s what you’re advocating.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 19:01

Ilovemyshed · 02/07/2025 17:14

Many people said there was no way Trump would be president.

Well Trump earned the presidency, even the inept Labour Party know Raynor couldn't be trusted to be anywhere near such a similar position.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:53

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:50

I didn’t mean it to come across as mean! And now I’ve said mean twice 🤣

🤣

FishersGate · 02/07/2025 18:52

PersephoneParlormaid · 02/07/2025 06:41

There is no one in any of the political parties capable of running the country IMO. We are fucked.

Exactly. I am still waiting to hear how all this is going to be funded. Some people can't grasp simple economics

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:50

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:37

I get your undercurrent there. That's a bit mean! I thought I expressed myself perfectly reasonably.

I didn’t mean it to come across as mean! And now I’ve said mean twice 🤣

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:37

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:35

@Quirkswork
I see what you mean about the shorthand and why it appeals to you in particular.

I get your undercurrent there. That's a bit mean! I thought I expressed myself perfectly reasonably.

Fringle · 02/07/2025 18:35

Bridport · 02/07/2025 17:54

I'm absolutely not defending Reform but blimey @Fringle, if you don't like Reform you're going to hate the Conservatives.

Beer-bellied football fans - Boris Johnson
and closet racists - "The Conservative Party's first Muslim chairperson has said it is now known as "the institutionally xenophobic and racist party", not "the nasty party".

That’s not really very good.

We all know that Labour holds seats in massively racist areas and has a persistent problem with vicious antisemitism.

It would be obvious nonsense to claim
that any party is free of bigots or wrong ‘uns but Labour is no better in that respect than the Tories.

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:35

@Quirkswork
I see what you mean about the shorthand and why it appeals to you in particular.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 18:35

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:19

I'm really trying to think of nicknames that are used so relentlessly for other MPs. I can think of names like Maybot or 30p Lee, but my goodness, they're not used so incessantly and in such a similar and goady way in what otherwise purports to be reasonably put argument.

There’s a few people using them for Kemi Badenoch, in fact The Guardian ran a headline with a ridiculous one. Lee, Truss, mostly Trump. I know the latter is not an MP but it’s often done by those expressing dislike for Labour versions.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 18:32

Incidentally it’s the reason they all have to call each other “the Right Honorable” because otherwise they get into the Mr Political Poohpants territory pretty quickly and you can be disciplined for it…

By the time they have got to the Lords there are no such rules, they just have actual manners

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:31

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 18:28

For me it’s an instant credibility loser. As soon as someone starts with the stupid nicknames I immediately discount anything else they say.

Oh well.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:30

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:25

I think it’s really de-humanising. It like PR for cynicism or a lazy shorthand to flatten people into memes.

But Orange Man Bad is also funny. It sums up the depth of thinking of the people who oppose him and tells us something about the state of current politics in the US. Two Tier Kier encapsulates something about his approach to governing that really upsets people in this country. It's neat shorthand. Like Thatcher the Milk Snatcher. I'm all for a relevant nickname.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 18:28

For me it’s an instant credibility loser. As soon as someone starts with the stupid nicknames I immediately discount anything else they say.

Tangfastic71 · 02/07/2025 18:25

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:19

I'm really trying to think of nicknames that are used so relentlessly for other MPs. I can think of names like Maybot or 30p Lee, but my goodness, they're not used so incessantly and in such a similar and goady way in what otherwise purports to be reasonably put argument.

I think it’s really de-humanising. It like PR for cynicism or a lazy shorthand to flatten people into memes.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:23

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:19

I'm really trying to think of nicknames that are used so relentlessly for other MPs. I can think of names like Maybot or 30p Lee, but my goodness, they're not used so incessantly and in such a similar and goady way in what otherwise purports to be reasonably put argument.

Most other politicians don't make it so ridiculously easy to be summed up in a nickname.

Maybot was a good one though.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:19

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 18:14

No it really is relentlessly repetitive and similar patterns.

I'm really trying to think of nicknames that are used so relentlessly for other MPs. I can think of names like Maybot or 30p Lee, but my goodness, they're not used so incessantly and in such a similar and goady way in what otherwise purports to be reasonably put argument.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 18:19

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:16

No, it's not the actual names. People can call names if they wish, it's a bit silly, but harmless.

It's the relentless use of them, almost as though the user is trying to give us an ear worm and the pattern of their use. It indicates a kind of instruction manual to use the phrases rather than the product of individual thought amongst a disparate group of people.

You don’t notice the same for Trump or Tory politicians on here? Or the repeated ‘grown ups’ line or others. Labour have just as much collective phrasing as any other.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 18:17

Bridport · 02/07/2025 18:16

No, it's not the actual names. People can call names if they wish, it's a bit silly, but harmless.

It's the relentless use of them, almost as though the user is trying to give us an ear worm and the pattern of their use. It indicates a kind of instruction manual to use the phrases rather than the product of individual thought amongst a disparate group of people.

I think more likely it just encapsulates how people see a particular politician.

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