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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 22:44

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:02

Edited

looks like the article is open access (I don’t have a subscription and read most of the first one).

I honestly don’t see how anyone can take his ‘suggestions’ seriously. Even Boris had enough of him.

Kill or capture, drop people off on an island - these are nonsense ideas. He says it’s a legal problem as if the law doesn’t mean anything in real life. However much we might individually disagree or dislike some parts of the law, the idea that it’s simply an obstacle to overcome is ludicrous. Let’s say we leave the ECHR, now we can shoot and kill people who travel into our waters on small boats? What about people who are inside trucks that arrive in the UK? What about visa overstayers?
And what does this new order mean for our global standing? We’re a net importer of food, how quickly do you think Europe would consider sanctions if our government left human rights frameworks and began summarily executing or transporting people? How many countries would impose restrictions on entry for British passport holders?

DC is full of shit, he always was. A smart guy that is more interested in being smart than actually working to a solution.

Confuuzed · 02/07/2025 21:36

My current labour MP in their first go at being an mp ousted a very long standing tory and so far they've been great in the local area. They also voted against the pip cuts.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 21:04

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:59

Short version - people make stuff up and attribute it to the Telegraph.

Oh right! I did not know that.

I've rather gone off the DT anyway of late. Too tabloidy these days.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:59

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:53

Don't understand. But that's not unusual on here! 😆

Short version - people make stuff up and attribute it to the Telegraph.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:53

Bridport · 02/07/2025 20:40

Nothing wrong with it at all.

There is though a pattern of posters and OPs quoting verbatim from the Telegraph, often without crediting it and often as part of an OP.
That might not be you although, if the cap fits.

Don't understand. But that's not unusual on here! 😆

Bridport · 02/07/2025 20:40

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:12

What's wrong with doing that?? I've also supplied the.link..I just thought it was easier for those who don't have a subscription to paste it verbatim.

Blimey..so strict!!

Nothing wrong with it at all.

There is though a pattern of posters and OPs quoting verbatim from the Telegraph, often without crediting it and often as part of an OP.
That might not be you although, if the cap fits.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:35

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:31

Christ @bombastix, I can’t watch him. Reading his words is quite bad enough.

What did they used to call Cummings in the Tory Party? Wormtongue, I think. Well earned

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:31

Christ @bombastix, I can’t watch him. Reading his words is quite bad enough.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:29

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:20

The links don’t work.

The YouTube one should. However, it is basically part of his standard moan about the British establishment, and the kind of statement made at the Oxford Union to stir things up. For all his posing, Cummings is exactly the kind of person who conforms to type.

We can only hope he joins the special forces and shoots some terrorists to feel alive

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:24

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:20

The links don’t work.

Apologies. Try goggling the interview as I think you have a subscription? It's with Kamal Ahmed in the Telegraph and is titled "Dominic Cummings: the British State is fundamentally broken". He got that bit right at least.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:21

Anyway, assuming even Reform won’t touch him, it shows a taste for extremism. I don’t think Britain has had summary executions in this country for centuries. It is the kind of thing someone says who imagines certain people are like a sub species. I’m sure it makes him feel superior, but it is not real

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2025 20:20

The links don’t work.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:13

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:12

Wants a job, doesn’t he?

You can watch it here. The operative word is “should”. I was too kind.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OBP5U3wE7MI&t=59s&pp=2AE7kAIB

Yes I do wonder as to his motives at the moment....

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:12

Wants a job, doesn’t he?

You can watch it here. The operative word is “should”. I was too kind.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=OBP5U3wE7MI&t=59s&pp=2AE7kAIB

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:12

What's wrong with doing that?? I've also supplied the.link..I just thought it was easier for those who don't have a subscription to paste it verbatim.

Blimey..so strict!!

Bridport · 02/07/2025 20:09

The repeated incorrect spelling is a pattern. Keir Kier - Rayner Raynor.
As is quoting verbatim from The Daily Telegraph.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:04

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:02

Well basically Cummings if I have it right is saying that there is a class of person who deserves summary execution with no witnesses and really, assuming you can do that, you could extend it to anyone in the UK. Perhaps I was too mild. What an extreme mind he has

Well, read the article and see what you think he means.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:02

@bombastix
Oh right brilliant. I always assume people have a fire wall!!

Attached below hopefully

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/22/dominic-cummings-on-britain-collapse-interview/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/22/dominic-cummings-on-britain-collapse-interview/

bombastix · 02/07/2025 20:02

Well basically Cummings if I have it right is saying that there is a class of person who deserves summary execution with no witnesses and really, assuming you can do that, you could extend it to anyone in the UK. Perhaps I was too mild. What an extreme mind he has

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 20:00

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:59

If you can’t see what wouldn’t work, how do you get to ‘it’s probably going to happen’, I mean what are you actually basing this on?

I mean it would deter the people smugglers. For the reasons he states.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 19:59

bombastix · 02/07/2025 19:57

Don’t be odd. I’ve called you no names. I’ve said it’s detached from reality.

what do you think about it?

I don't believe in capital punishment (mainly for the reason that you've got the wrong person.potentially) and I don't believe in punishment without due process. So I would hate the thought of summary executions being carried out in the Channel.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 19:59

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 19:37

It was just in a few posts up. Have a look.

Oh I see your edit. What wouldn't work in his post? It's probably going to happen at some point. Labour haven't come up with any solutions so far. In fact the crossings are increasing.

Edited

If you can’t see what wouldn’t work, how do you get to ‘it’s probably going to happen’, I mean what are you actually basing this on?

bombastix · 02/07/2025 19:58

Seriously I’d love a link; I do read the Telegraph

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 19:57

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 19:41

Well, yes. Presumably the aim is to shock the people smugglers into stopping the dangerous crossings that cost the lives of many each year. I don't know.

I don’t think the kill part is required, we don’t do that rn to terrorists

bombastix · 02/07/2025 19:57

Don’t be odd. I’ve called you no names. I’ve said it’s detached from reality.

what do you think about it?

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