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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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Tapoopoo · 02/07/2025 08:04

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:27

From recollection (and while I slightly agree that it does have misogynistic undertones) it was due to Rachel Reeves having lied about her background and exaggerated her work record. Which the other people you mentioned didn't.

Ah I didnt know that. I thought it was just a term used to belittle her that she was out of her depth.

JustMyView13 · 02/07/2025 08:00

Putting the economics to one side, the NHS has been markedly improved locally. It still has a long way to go, but it’s at least accessible now.
I don’t think any political party is particularly good at the moment. I don’t think Labour are getting it right on the economic fronts. But I do think they’re the best option we have today, and Kier is the best available person to run the Labour Party. I don’t think anyone within the party will do a better job, but plenty would do worse. So it’s all well and good wanting him to be gone, but then what?
I’d vote for anyone before I vote for Reform, and I honestly can’t believe people are buying their crap.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 07:59

SunnieShine · 02/07/2025 07:57

There would be riots first- can you imagine?

Dianne Abbott, as Home Sec was always a frightening prospect, but this one is even worse. Labour won't have the momentum to take them into a second term.

SunnieShine · 02/07/2025 07:57

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 06:53

There is no way Raynor would get as far as being PM.

There would be riots first- can you imagine?

DeafLeppard · 02/07/2025 07:56

Concise · 02/07/2025 07:50

Always the same with Labour; reward the work shy at the expense of the grafters.
👏👏👏

And for the Tories, it’s the grifters at the expense of the grafters.

Like I said, we get the government we deserve. If we can’t have a grown up conversation about entitlement or necessary levels of taxation, or civil and personal responsibility, followed through by legislation, what do you expect?

Nagginthenag · 02/07/2025 07:54

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:43

Well I hadn't heard it until DC.said it and I'm no spring chicken. And if you Google "who said thick as mince" most of the entries are about him.

There's no shame in admiring him Jorgua. Just own it.

Nope. 'thick as mince' is an incredibly common colloquialism, especially in Scotland. Just because t'internet references Cummings doesn't mean he invented the term. I've just googled the term and there's no reference to Cummings at all on the first page, so not sure what you googled to get your results?

inkognitha · 02/07/2025 07:52

I was honestly starting to get less angry about Labour, the decision to hold a national enquiry into raping gangs, to push for guidelines after the SC ruling, to revise the ECHRC, the benefits review…
Some backwards peddling but he is listening and trying to keep the church in the middle of the village.
If they kick him out and he is replaced by Rayner, Burnham, Khan, Milligan’s etc. it’s going to be catastrophic, I would be very afraid of some of the measures they will implement, they will not make it until the GE and it’s going to be a victory for Reform, but in a much more troubled climate.

Could the Left of the Left understand they don’t have a majority without some centrists, and they never will, and process their grief about it rather than try to take over the party and impose their views from the top?

Concise · 02/07/2025 07:50

Always the same with Labour; reward the work shy at the expense of the grafters.
👏👏👏

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:45

QueefofSheena · 02/07/2025 07:43

Tell the people of Scotland that they have been using a quote by Cummings for decades 🙄

It's his catch phrase now I'm afraid! According to Google! The People of Scotland will have to just lump it.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 07:45

luckylavender · 02/07/2025 07:30

KEIR

Except that wouldn't fit nicely with tier 🙄

ChocoChocoLatte · 02/07/2025 07:44

@PersephoneParlormaidagreed. Total shit show.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 07:43

Yogabearmous · 02/07/2025 07:36

People are desperate for change , but then The public and media go mad when anyone tries to implement anything. We need welfare reform - that is it - we can’t keep paying out like we are , billions of pounds, but as soon as you mention it people are protesting. There is a total lack of reality within government and the public. It’s madness all round.

Labour focusing now on targeting savings. Always the same with them; reward the work shy at the expense of the grafters.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:43

Jorgua · 02/07/2025 07:40

What are you on about? Dominic Cummings did not invent that colloquialism. If I said "close the door" yesterday and you say it tomorrow, are you quoting me?

Well I hadn't heard it until DC.said it and I'm no spring chicken. And if you Google "who said thick as mince" most of the entries are about him.

There's no shame in admiring him Jorgua. Just own it.

QueefofSheena · 02/07/2025 07:43

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 06:59

"Thick as mince". Great quote by Dominic Cummings who you presumably admire.

I see nothing wrong in a nickname. Are we supposed to respect this travesty of a PM? Two Tier Keir very neatly sums up his approach to many issues in this country, mainly due to.his warped ideology.

Tell the people of Scotland that they have been using a quote by Cummings for decades 🙄

Tapoopoo · 02/07/2025 07:41

My city has always been red. Our mayor is now a a guy who has no idea about politics and has had a few too many hits to the head but he got a huge majority because people agreed with what he was saying (he is buying into Farage hook, line and sinker). I will be very, very surprised if my city didnt turn Reform at the next election. I would be ashamed of it but am expecting it.

Thing is, the tories have destroyed the country, labour are an absolute shower and are looking no better. The other parties aren't making enough noise to get noticed.

Farage is pretending to be "the common man" and is very, very good at manipulating people's fears. He stands oit from the other politicians because he is good at soundbites. He is engaging people who are disenfranchised by politics. The vast majority of people dont look into actual policies or how it will really work. Farage will say some "I'll stop the boats" while pictured in a cheap looking suit, with a pint in Weatherspoons. People relate to that and it feels much different to everything that has gone before. People dont see that it's a carefully curated and in all honesty, probably dont care, they just need something different.

Jorgua · 02/07/2025 07:40

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 06:59

"Thick as mince". Great quote by Dominic Cummings who you presumably admire.

I see nothing wrong in a nickname. Are we supposed to respect this travesty of a PM? Two Tier Keir very neatly sums up his approach to many issues in this country, mainly due to.his warped ideology.

What are you on about? Dominic Cummings did not invent that colloquialism. If I said "close the door" yesterday and you say it tomorrow, are you quoting me?

Welliesandtweed · 02/07/2025 07:37

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 06:53

There is no way Raynor would get as far as being PM.

Thank god. She can barely string a sentence. I'm a bit embarrassed hearing her talk.

Yogabearmous · 02/07/2025 07:36

People are desperate for change , but then The public and media go mad when anyone tries to implement anything. We need welfare reform - that is it - we can’t keep paying out like we are , billions of pounds, but as soon as you mention it people are protesting. There is a total lack of reality within government and the public. It’s madness all round.

Nagginthenag · 02/07/2025 07:34

Quirkswork, one of Byline Times founders is former Spectator, so not a lefty......

RunningJo · 02/07/2025 07:31

It’s all such a shit show isn’t it, if an election was called now I would have absolutely no idea who to vote for.

luckylavender · 02/07/2025 07:30

NeelyOHara · 02/07/2025 06:39

If Kier goes we will get Angela Raynor, then we are completely fucked. I think Kier is by far the better option.

KEIR

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 07:29

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:15

Well you can't say the lefties don't have a sense of humour. An excellent (and original) comeback.

Didn’t make much sense, maybe they need the morning coffee.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:29

HedwigIsMySpiritAnimal · 02/07/2025 07:27

They can’t get their house in order - they want to reduce taxation to virtually nothing, allow billionaires into the country to pay no tax, and are promising to do this while delivering a world class NHS. It’s clearly totally impossible but you only have to look to America to see how gullible voters are at believing that billionaires have the working man’s best interests at heart 😢

They have 4 years. Although Labour had 14 and still managed to be completely useless I suppose.

HedwigIsMySpiritAnimal · 02/07/2025 07:27

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:17

I will have a look. I haven't heard of the byline times though. Does it have a particular bias?

I have no love for Reform. Just a great dislike of Labour government. I suspect many people feel the same way. Which will mean Reform have a good chance of getting in so I hope they get their house in order, for the sake of the country in 2029.

They can’t get their house in order - they want to reduce taxation to virtually nothing, allow billionaires into the country to pay no tax, and are promising to do this while delivering a world class NHS. It’s clearly totally impossible but you only have to look to America to see how gullible voters are at believing that billionaires have the working man’s best interests at heart 😢

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 07:27

Tapoopoo · 02/07/2025 07:25

I am soooo disappointed by their crapness. At least with the Conservatives they were honest aboit being lying scum and didnt try to hide the fact that they were lining their own pockets.

But yes "Rachel from accounts" is misogynist. You didnt get "Rishi from accounts" or "Kwasi from accounts" (admittedly he wasnt there long enough to get any sort of nickname) or "Jez from accounts".

From recollection (and while I slightly agree that it does have misogynistic undertones) it was due to Rachel Reeves having lied about her background and exaggerated her work record. Which the other people you mentioned didn't.