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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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BrickBiscuit · 02/07/2025 09:03

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

The chances of anything depend on what the rich decide. Normally, the British vote as Mr Murdoch instructs. However there are hints that Musk may be planning to buy our next election.

Sabire9 · 02/07/2025 09:02

Are you saying that we should stop offering asylum to asylum seekers?

Or are you saying we should process asylum applicants faster and remove those who don't have a valid claim to asylum?

And I appreciate that Reform and the Tories have done a brilliant job persuading ordinary people that all their problems are the fault of immigrants - the vast majority of whom came here by invitation and who are working and paying taxes, but I'm wondering what you think will get much better once we 'get rid of' some of the most productive tax paying people in the country.

Kitte321 · 02/07/2025 09:02

It is a total mess. BUT I’m not sure what alternative there is? Reform - absolutely not. The conservatives look pathetic (I so wish they would get their act together), what’s left?

Starmer and Reeves have never recovered from WFA and the first budget. Increases to NI, the IHT tax for farms and family businesses and Non dom changes. It was a raft of changes that almost immediately choked growth. Couple that with the U turns and Starmer looks like he doesn’t have the metal to push through the tough changes - changes we almost certainly need.
In many way I don’t disagree with him - but he has been weakened by early mis steps.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:02

Meadowfinch · 02/07/2025 09:00

At this point, does it matter?

No it’s the least of his issues

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 09:01

cloudyblueglass · 02/07/2025 09:00

What savings? Wink

😆 🤣 true

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 09:01

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 09:00

Anyone who thinks leaving the ECHR is a good idea is blinded by the very freedoms that it provides.

For any parent, go and read the case: A v. United Kingdom (1998)

Ahh...1998 ...a.golden period before our borders were opened...

Over40Overdating · 02/07/2025 09:01

Reform can’t even run a local council meeting within fucking it up so your hopes for them running the country are naive at best, financially suicidal at worst. One of the councillors went to one meeting and said he should quit now he’s achieve his goal because actually running stuff is boring.

Quite why everyone expected a Labour - or any - party to achieve miracles in one year after 14 years of systemic Tory fuckery, is beyond me. People mentioning sticky fingers in troughs - Michelle Mone, PPE contracts for mates, anyone?

I didn’t vote Labour and with their pivot to the right, never will again but all this ‘oh they are ruining the country with their tax breaks! Oh they are freezing the pensioners! Oh they are running the rich out of this country! Ugh why aren’t they punishing the disabled more the bastards!’ Is lazy and tired.

Farage hasn’t done an honest days work in his life and being an MP has not changed that. If you think running the country will interrupt his schedule of doing fuck all except self promotion and race baiting, I have some magic beans to sell you, with a free bridge thrown in,

You talk about people with no experience running the country meanwhile an 18 year old Reform councillor is crying to mummy over a pride flag being flown at a town hall.

I neither know nor care either you are being disingenuous or thick @Jennps but you are obvious.

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 09:01

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

Not bringing in low skilled workers and getting own low skilled workers into those roles. There is no reason hospital cleaners etc should be British.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 09:00

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:54

The ECHR doesn't prevent countries from controlling their borders or deporting individuals.

I thought the judges in the ECHR have the final say on who stays and who goes...sure looks like it anyway.....

Meadowfinch · 02/07/2025 09:00

luckylavender · 02/07/2025 07:30

KEIR

At this point, does it matter?

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 09:00

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

Anyone who thinks leaving the ECHR is a good idea is blinded by the very freedoms that it provides.

For any parent, go and read the case: A v. United Kingdom (1998)

cloudyblueglass · 02/07/2025 09:00

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:56

Now Labour are going after their savings.

What savings? Wink

Profpudding · 02/07/2025 09:00

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 08:59

We need Nigel in power as soon as possible. He will swing the axe we need to the size of the state. That will get all those reliant on Nanny state back to looking after themselves.

Fuck me, I wouldn’t mind swinging an axe at Nigel

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 08:59

We need Nigel in power as soon as possible. He will swing the axe we need to the size of the state. That will get all those reliant on Nanny state back to looking after themselves.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:57

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

Stopping illegal immigration.

Reducing numbers of legal migration significantly. Ie the huge tick.in immigration was due to Boris Johnson. Increase the time.period before people get indefinite leave to remain which should hopefully kick some of the benefits Bill can down the road.

Better asylum system.

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 08:56

AngelicInnocent · 02/07/2025 07:00

The middle classes become the new wealthy to be taxed to death. They don't have the ability to leave the country and escape it.

Now Labour are going after their savings.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:54

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

The ECHR doesn't prevent countries from controlling their borders or deporting individuals.

SeriaMau · 02/07/2025 08:54

RunningJo · 02/07/2025 06:59

Some companies I’ve spoken to recently would say we’re already in a recession.

How do you ‘speak to companies’?

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:54

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

What does "sorting out immigration" look like to you?

Bridport · 02/07/2025 08:53

Were (sic) a year in, and labour have achieved precisely nothing.

Not true.
eastangliabylines.co.uk/politics/the-first-6-months-what-has-labour-actually-done/

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:50

Poynsettia · 02/07/2025 08:44

So The Tories were in for 14 years of austerity and we ended up with 900,000 immigrants in the final year, no solution to boats, benefit unsystsinable (I think a lot of people don’t know what that means - it is that we have NO money to pay them so many will be starving and homeless , ie on the streets), schools are underfunded, NHS on its knees. Sooooo
Labour get in, try to cut benefits, 9 out of 10 claimants would have been unaffected, cut payments to boomers with cut in wfa, but no not having it, try to devise ways of stopping boats -but the electorate won’t have it so all these money saving plans FAIL so we continue on our merry way to bankruptcy, failed NHS, striking public servants etc
Companies are moving to the New York stock exchange, CEOs are moving to NYork, young people are off to Dubai and Australia.
When will the electorate open their greedy mitts and accept we need cuts.??????

Your ageism does you no credit.

The idea, heavily promoted by the government, that the welfare state could fail is economically illiterate. It really is time we moved on from the Thatcherite view of the national economy as household budget. It's just used for political obfuscation, to scare people into accepting policy against their own and society's best interests.

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:46

Moot point. Why does anyone think Starmer will be standing down? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that will happen.

I guess we can expect a lot of Reform bots and shills to pop up in the aftermath of yesterday's vote. Reform is currently riding high in the polls and in a couple of years they'll be back to irrelevance. You bet they want it to be the case that Starmer falls and there's a GE! Fairy stories.

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 08:50

AnyoneWhoHasAHeart · 02/07/2025 07:16

People were warned to be careful what they wished for.

I don’t think reform will get in, but I do think that there could be a Tory reform coalition.

The “the tories have done” line has run its course. Were a year in, and labour have achieved precisely nothing. In fact they’ve pretty much had to reverse every decision they’ve made, and none of it has anything to do with the tories.

the truth is that we’re not unique, and we currently are in a period of world instability at the moment.

most other countries are in a similar position at the moment, so what’s the answer?

lols - the last 5 or 6 Tory PM's, all said the same stuff, 'The mess we inheriated from labour, etc etc' even in the election build up, it wasn't until Kier called Rishi out on this during a live debate about it, and he (rishi) went for it agian, and again Kier said 14 years youve had to sort this mess and you're blaming the last goverment, I think he forgot just how long the Tories had been in power and utterly messed it up. the tories dropped this stance a few days later as they saw what a uttler stupid thing it was to say after being in power for nearly 15 years!

12 months is nowhere near enough time to start making waves.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 08:49

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:55

And it just gets worse. Not only are individually wealthy top rate taxpayers leaving. Businesses are leaving too.

Exxon pulled out of the UK yesterday because of Red Ed’s crazy obsession with killing our oil industry. We already have the highest energy costs in the world, it only gets worse. And not Astra Zeneca are reportedly looking to move from London stock exchange to New York.

This country is a disaster. Wonder if the ‘eat the rich’ crowd have any ideas on how their freebies will be paid for.

Exxon have been reducing their European workforce since 2020, so wherever news you saw yesterday is a long time in the making.

High energy costs predate this government and are, in large part, due to our reliance on imported natural gas, the markets and lack of storage capacity.

The outlook for the UK is not good at the moment, but to pretend it’s all been brought about by not quite 12 months of Labour is absolute bollocks.

bombastix · 02/07/2025 08:49

Honestly, I think he will hang on as Labour don’t defenestrate their leaders, and asset tax is coming in Autumn. What yesterday showed is that Labour won’t cut the welfare state, so Reeves has to look at tax, which is going to be on assets not income.