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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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NattyFox · 02/07/2025 09:16

I'm a labour voter but I knew it would just be more of the same when certain MP's lost jobs and conservatives just moved over to join the labour party. I'm now one of those people that says they're all the same. Depressing.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:16

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:13

What is? Do you take other people’s views or dismiss as bots any time it’s not Labour?

Depends whether people are making sense or mindlessly shouting for the election of a far right, fascistic party/company who have no credible policies and have, in two short months, proved they couldn't run a piss-up in a brewery, let alone a council, let alone a government.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:16

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 09:10

Every time I ventured that Labour might not be the magic bullet everyone wanted, I was vilified and shouted down and told in no uncertain terms I was wrong.

MNet got the party it was, on the whole, collectively braying for. I hope the penny's dropped.

I don’t think it has for everyone on here.

WestwardHo1 · 02/07/2025 09:15

CreteBound · 02/07/2025 07:12

morning Rishi

Don't be so silly

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:14

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 09:10

Every time I ventured that Labour might not be the magic bullet everyone wanted, I was vilified and shouted down and told in no uncertain terms I was wrong.

MNet got the party it was, on the whole, collectively braying for. I hope the penny's dropped.

Ok Cassandra.

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:13

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 09:10

Every time I ventured that Labour might not be the magic bullet everyone wanted, I was vilified and shouted down and told in no uncertain terms I was wrong.

MNet got the party it was, on the whole, collectively braying for. I hope the penny's dropped.

MN is disproportionately middle class liberals. Even with that demographic the penny has dropped.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:13

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:08

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

Very pithy.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:13

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:11

I hardly think it's comparable. More like what-aboutery.

What is? Do you take other people’s views or dismiss as bots any time it’s not Labour?

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:12

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 09:01

Ahh...1998 ...a.golden period before our borders were opened...

What has that to do with the case in point?

AnxiousOCDMum · 02/07/2025 09:11

ColinOfficeTrolley · 02/07/2025 06:53

I always think it's very telling when people parrot ridiculous nicknames for MPs. People who say 'Two Tier Kier' for example, sound as thick as mince.

I agree he has been a complete let down, but I would vote for the raving loony monster party before letting Reform get in.

Rather the economically illiterate, than the Tommy Robinson, protect our kids, St George's flag loving illiterate.

Wonder if they know St George was Palestian 😂

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:11

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:05

Do you use the same bots accusation for Labour?

There are fewer people with the intention to vote for Labour than Reform rn. Mn isn’t going to be the Labour support group as it was.

I hardly think it's comparable. More like what-aboutery.

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 09:10

Every time I ventured that Labour might not be the magic bullet everyone wanted, I was vilified and shouted down and told in no uncertain terms I was wrong.

MNet got the party it was, on the whole, collectively braying for. I hope the penny's dropped.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 09:10

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:08

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

It's this kind of insightful input that keeps me returning to MN time and time again.

Animatic · 02/07/2025 09:09

Boat crossings are the least problem this country has.

User135644 · 02/07/2025 09:08

40YearOldDad · 02/07/2025 09:00

Anyone who thinks leaving the ECHR is a good idea is blinded by the very freedoms that it provides.

For any parent, go and read the case: A v. United Kingdom (1998)

Fuck the ECHR and the criminals they protect.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/07/2025 09:08

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 08:37

There’ll likely be fewer people fooled into voting Labour at next GE.

Yeah, the people who don't really understand what they're voting for will end up voting for Reform instead, and then we'll all be fucked.

Bridport · 02/07/2025 09:06

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 08:59

We need Nigel in power as soon as possible. He will swing the axe we need to the size of the state. That will get all those reliant on Nanny state back to looking after themselves.

You seem so confident of Nigel that I would be happy to be persuaded that he is the man for us.

To help me with this could you please give me some of examples of where he has, during his time as an MEP or in his current post as MP for Clacton, made tangible steps to improve the life of his constituents? Any examples in terms of infrastructure, working conditions, housing, health, human rights would be very useful. Thank you.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:06

Profpudding · 02/07/2025 09:00

Fuck me, I wouldn’t mind swinging an axe at Nigel

Where is that laugh emoji when it's needed!

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:05

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 08:46

Moot point. Why does anyone think Starmer will be standing down? There's absolutely nothing to suggest that will happen.

I guess we can expect a lot of Reform bots and shills to pop up in the aftermath of yesterday's vote. Reform is currently riding high in the polls and in a couple of years they'll be back to irrelevance. You bet they want it to be the case that Starmer falls and there's a GE! Fairy stories.

Do you use the same bots accusation for Labour?

There are fewer people with the intention to vote for Labour than Reform rn. Mn isn’t going to be the Labour support group as it was.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:05

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:57

Stopping illegal immigration.

Reducing numbers of legal migration significantly. Ie the huge tick.in immigration was due to Boris Johnson. Increase the time.period before people get indefinite leave to remain which should hopefully kick some of the benefits Bill can down the road.

Better asylum system.

And it looks like something completely different to me. Something different again to my next door neighbour, to my friend in the next town across, to my family member in a different part of the UK, to my work colleague.

Complex problems have complex solutions and demanding that we leave a body that (a) serves to protect us and (b) has no bearing on our immigration policy is meaningless.

Allisnotlost1 · 02/07/2025 09:05

Quirkswork · 02/07/2025 08:50

If Starmer sorts out immigration fundamentally and the economy he may be in with a chance. The two top issues according to polls. He won't sort immigration out though because the only way that can be achieved properly is leaving the ECHR which he won't do. So Labour will lose. Then it's Reform on current polls.

What do you think leaving the ECHR would achieve in terms of immigration numbers?

Dangermoo · 02/07/2025 09:04

JustMyView13 · 02/07/2025 08:00

Putting the economics to one side, the NHS has been markedly improved locally. It still has a long way to go, but it’s at least accessible now.
I don’t think any political party is particularly good at the moment. I don’t think Labour are getting it right on the economic fronts. But I do think they’re the best option we have today, and Kier is the best available person to run the Labour Party. I don’t think anyone within the party will do a better job, but plenty would do worse. So it’s all well and good wanting him to be gone, but then what?
I’d vote for anyone before I vote for Reform, and I honestly can’t believe people are buying their crap.

The one thing I will say about Starmer, is that he's keeping the hard left wolves from the door. That's a good thing for everyone.

1apenny2apenny · 02/07/2025 09:04

I think what I find so disappointing is that many of the things that need fixing were very obvious and have been for many years. It was clear Labour were going to get in however when they arrived at number 10 they seem to have no new, well thought through plans. As soon as they announced anything the holes in it are obvious, even to everyday people
like me.

WFA was a good example of this, it was clear this needed to have a higher cut off as the benefits available on pension credit often make people better off than those on state pension (who have worked and paid full NI). They’ve now U turned and the cut off is way too high. It’s as though they sat in a room and said ‘ok someone pick a number’. It’s all so reactionary when in fact the civil service has all these figures and it can all be modelled. It can then be presented and explained to the public, if you can justify your decision you are in a stronger position and won’t need to back down.

We now have Labour MPs saying there needs to be a welfare tax, do they even understand where this tax is coming from? Additionally MOs are saying we should take families from Gaza - how can we afford this? I suspect once they arrive they won’t go back and will have to be supported for a long time by the tax payer. They simply just seem to think there is a never ending tree of free money.

Anyway I also think he’ll go and we’ll get someone more left wing which will be the nail in the coffin for this country. I don’t think it’ll be Rayner, she’s said she doesn’t want it. I think the only other decent candidate would be Wes Streeting.

CarraghInish · 02/07/2025 09:03

Shenmen · 02/07/2025 06:43

I haven't been impressed yet at all. However, nothing has been as bad as the last at least five years of Tory insanity so it is a marked step up from that. It's a lot of mess to unpick.

Lord help us if they don't start sorting themselves out and we end up with reform (we will then find out what incompetent looks like). I can't believe Labour didn't have a more clear coherent plan given the 100 years in the wilderness.

This. It IS a lot of mess to unpick. Relax and give them a chance ffs. A decade of crippling Tory governance, Covid hangover, Brexit impact, not to mention the factors outside the UK with economic and security implications.

RunningJo · 02/07/2025 09:03

SeriaMau · 02/07/2025 08:54

How do you ‘speak to companies’?

Really? 🙄🤣