Two Tier’s days are numbered

No need to be a snob. Do you think you are more educated than anyone else?

My point was that 1998 is a long time ago and 27 years later the ECHR are making very different decisions in a very different world. Immigration increased exponentially from 1997 onwards kicked off by Tony Blair. The wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan had not yet happened.

I don't think many of us believed that Labour would be a magic bullet. Many of us were politically homeless before the election and we remain so. There was never any penny to drop.

That said, many of us voted for Labour because we considered them to be the best of a bad bunch. That hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.

There are no magic bullets. Sadly, people keep looking for them, hence the current popularity of Reform. And if people vote for them, we will all end up paying the price.

Again - am missing the 😂😂😂 emoji @Shakeoffyourchains

I find it condescending that Labour supporters use the accusation when they don’t see enough Labour in a post.

Yes that bears out what I say.

I assure you, they can. I despair of Labour but they are the least appalling set on offer. None are as amoral as Boris, as useless as Truss, as self-serving and devious as Farage, as vicious and racist as the rest of Reform, as clueless and pointless as Lib Dems, as blinkered and captured as the Greens. God help us if this country moves to the far right. We need a strong, dynamic Labour Party with a charismatic leader of integrity and vision. We haven't had one in decades. But that is what we need.

The rot started with Johnson. Ridiculous brat when he was mayor of London but PM? Marmalade dropping moment for me that day.

Very condescending. And how naive of you.

I don't think they doing a great job - not really impressed with Starmer - but frankly they're no worse than last few Tory governments and I can't see anyone else on the horizon that looks better- though I do like Wes Streeting.

I can't see reform as a viable alternative - they had some infighting - they don't have a huge track record at local or national level - they've done okay in some polls yet people keep getting very OTT excited about them.

I don’t think Thatcher was that popular a year into power in the early 80s.
Blair was very popular a year on - but the later nineties - following the end of Soviet bloc and the opportunities it afforded - made for a much more stable global landscape to navigate. He was charismatic too - but he also had his downfall and hubris of not listening to people in 2003.
Leadership is bloody hard. I think you need someone who’s more intelligent than most people and with a set of values you agree with. Then you have to trust them to make decisions as events hit them.
For me - this can never be Farage.

Nothing you say…

Huge majority? They won by about 30% of the vote!

This is exactly what you end up with in an age of government by social media. Those who shout loudest get their way. It's now an age of populism.

Yet there are still very large numbers of people in this country who don't shout loudly. They grumble over a cup of tea.

If people are so afraid Reform will win at a next election, why on earth attack the person standing in the way of that next election?
Labour has to change the course of country and yes that will hurt and yes Brexit hurt. But sabotaging every attempt this government takes to change course is just going to come back at you. It seems everyone wants things to change as long as it is not a change that impacts you.

It's difficult to imagine what could be worse than Bulllshit Boris as PM. Then you suggest Nigel Farage 😂😂😂

You think CM is the only one who thinks Labour are doing badly?

And what @Dangermoosaid

Labour doesn't tend to go in for the merry go round approach of leaders so beloved of the Tories.

Yesterday was a shambles but not PM or government ending level of shambles.

Kendall should go, though.

Starmer has always been a weak, spineless leader. He's lost control of his party and the confidence of voters. He's now trapped trying to deal with the consequences of a largely incompetent cabinet, with no viable alternatives.
Reeves sent the economy into terminal decline with her disastrous budget in 2024 and is either too stupid or too stubborn to admit she made a catastrophic mistake.

This is a massive problem for any government, though. We've got a massive elderly population sustained by a shrinking number of tax payers, with the birth rate going down so this will only decrease. Reform/Tories bang on about cutting welfare but in reality, they'd come up against the same problem. Fiddling with PIP etc is only tinkering round the edges. There isn't an obvious solution to the ticking pensions timebomb.

So you start your post by saying anyone who disagrees with you is thick, basically?

Not a good argument.

There is not one member of the cabinet who has had a proper job- mostly they have spent their lives in politics, think tanks and unions.

Their inexperience of the world is the issue.

I don't think this is a huge disaster for Starmer.

He is certainly not on his way out. His back benchers may rebel but they know they have nobody to replace him.

The rebellion could help him in the long term as those who did rebel can tell voters that not all Labour MPs are just like Tories.

Starmer is a bland man and not great leader but he has this huge majority because the right wing vote is split between the Tories and Reform. He may not get those numbers again but so long as he faces a divided opposition he will stay in power.

I'm so furious with the Conservatives. Time was when I said proudly I'd never vote for them in the my life. However given what we are up against, the country really needs a sensible Conservative party with competent people in it, but they have destroyed themselves. I actually thought we were starting to get somewhere with Sunak and Hunt in charge, but time ran out for them, and no wonder. They'd had too many chances already.

Actually forget that. I'm furious with Boris fucking Johnson and to a slightly lesser degree, David Cameron. Do they have any inking at all of the incalculable damage they have done? And yet Cameron continues to accrue his millions, and people still continue to think Johnson is a lovable buffoon with his funny hair and endless procreating. Before his purge, the Tories still had some capable, decent MPs.

100% agree with this! Can’t wait for Reform to finally get us out of this ridiculous agreement so I can stop having to respect all those absurd provisions on unfair dismissal, discrimination, pregnancy, health status, surveillance, trade union rights, collective bargaining, etc, etc.

Honestly, I’m sick of missing out on hundreds of thousands in potential profit just to keep the plebs I employ safe, healthy, and vaguely content.

Apologies. Graph now attached.

I can’t work out if many on this thread are wilfully ignorant, dim or liars.
I am disappointed in elements of the government- much of it has been down to how they have communicated what they are doing and why they are doing it.
I know many of the new intake personally and professionally- they are finding their feet - there are some giant brains within the cohort.
Liz Kendall will be sacked - I hope they keep her ministers on as Torsten / Andrew / Ali are good and the system needs reform.
Look behind the headlines in the express, see what they are doing yo fix the country.