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Two Tier’s days are numbered

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Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:37

Starmer will be gone by this time next year.

This government is imploding right before our eyes, despite a huge (but shallow) majority. People didn’t vote for Labour, as much as they voted against the diabolical Tories in the last election.

Coupled with that, the calibre of MPs in general, but especially the new Labour MPs is shockingly low. These are people who have never had real jobs, and found themselves accidentally in charge of the country. Most them would struggle to use a calculator, let alone understand how the economy works.

Bond markets are already punishing ‘Rachel from accounts’. Cue the insults about misogyny despite the fact that calling her from accounts is an insult to those who actually work in accounts. Gilts are already above when Truss was in charge, meaning the situation is worse. Crazy tax hikes are on the way. Top rate taxpayers are leaving the country in droves.

Boat crossings are at a record high. Unemployment is up, inflation is on the increase. The country is at very real risk of recession.

If Starmer falls, his replacement candidates are terrifying. It’s possible the government could fall within 2 years or so. The chances of Reform getting into power will increase many fold if there is a snap election in that timeframe.

Wonder if the economically illiterate, constantly wanting to constantly shake the magic money tree, are ready for Reform.

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RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 10:07

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 10:03

In 18 years Boris will have enough adult offspring and siblings to fill the entire cabinet. Imagine that!
Tony Blair started all of this... spend, spend, spend propped up by immigration, massive asset inflation and low wages. Combined with membership of the EU it has meant no PM since Thatcher has ever had to think for themselves and could blame all ills, and dodgy decisions, on Brussels. That is why we are where we are.

They say you get the politicians you deserve and I guess things never felt better than under Blair but really, I don't think we have deserved any of the representatives we have had and I include Blair and Brown (selling the nations gold at rock bottom rates).

None of them are true politicians and none have any work experience in the real world. Working for one of the big 5, a management consultancy, an investment bank or any organisation with a trade union should not be a prerequisite to being an MP, it should be an automatic ban.
2TK is like Londons Khan... in it for himself. He will not go willingly as the perks are just too good. Let us hope his party throws him out before the next election as I'd be worried he'd pull a stunt, like taking us into a war, so an election can't be held.

2TK is the most devastating of all PMs as he know how to manipulate the law for his own end.

This. Every single word.

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 10:05

EveningSpread · 02/07/2025 09:52

The problem with the current government is it’s pushing the same economically illiterate austerity agenda as the last one. So nothing will greatly improve.

The problem is there is no money. The country is all but bankrupt. When the cupboard is bare families are on the bones if their arse and it's the same for the UK.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 02/07/2025 10:04

Labour didn't have a more clear coherent plan given the 100 years in the wilderness.

I've said that to people - every time another committee to work out what to do about something gets announced - they were supposed to do that in opposition.

Instead population is supposed to be pleased they are thinking now and may come back in time for next election with a plan.

Events always over take new cycles but they do feel very unprepared in so many areas.

Boilingfrogatprimaryschool · 02/07/2025 10:03

WestwardHo1 · 02/07/2025 09:36

I'm so furious with the Conservatives. Time was when I said proudly I'd never vote for them in the my life. However given what we are up against, the country really needs a sensible Conservative party with competent people in it, but they have destroyed themselves. I actually thought we were starting to get somewhere with Sunak and Hunt in charge, but time ran out for them, and no wonder. They'd had too many chances already.

Actually forget that. I'm furious with Boris fucking Johnson and to a slightly lesser degree, David Cameron. Do they have any inking at all of the incalculable damage they have done? And yet Cameron continues to accrue his millions, and people still continue to think Johnson is a lovable buffoon with his funny hair and endless procreating. Before his purge, the Tories still had some capable, decent MPs.

In 18 years Boris will have enough adult offspring and siblings to fill the entire cabinet. Imagine that!
Tony Blair started all of this... spend, spend, spend propped up by immigration, massive asset inflation and low wages. Combined with membership of the EU it has meant no PM since Thatcher has ever had to think for themselves and could blame all ills, and dodgy decisions, on Brussels. That is why we are where we are.

They say you get the politicians you deserve and I guess things never felt better than under Blair but really, I don't think we have deserved any of the representatives we have had and I include Blair and Brown (selling the nations gold at rock bottom rates).

None of them are true politicians and none have any work experience in the real world. Working for one of the big 5, a management consultancy, an investment bank or any organisation with a trade union should not be a prerequisite to being an MP, it should be an automatic ban.
2TK is like Londons Khan... in it for himself. He will not go willingly as the perks are just too good. Let us hope his party throws him out before the next election as I'd be worried he'd pull a stunt, like taking us into a war, so an election can't be held.

2TK is the most devastating of all PMs as he know how to manipulate the law for his own end.

cardibach · 02/07/2025 10:03

DorothyandtheWizard · 02/07/2025 09:36

So you start your post by saying anyone who disagrees with you is thick, basically?

Not a good argument.

There is not one member of the cabinet who has had a proper job- mostly they have spent their lives in politics, think tanks and unions.

Their inexperience of the world is the issue.

Edited

Just taking the top leadership shows this is nonsense. Starmer was a barrister. Rayner worked as a carer. They’ve had proper jobs.

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 10:03

Jennps · 02/07/2025 06:55

And it just gets worse. Not only are individually wealthy top rate taxpayers leaving. Businesses are leaving too.

Exxon pulled out of the UK yesterday because of Red Ed’s crazy obsession with killing our oil industry. We already have the highest energy costs in the world, it only gets worse. And not Astra Zeneca are reportedly looking to move from London stock exchange to New York.

This country is a disaster. Wonder if the ‘eat the rich’ crowd have any ideas on how their freebies will be paid for.

There’s always this howl of fear and panic when there’s a Labour Government And specific companies and individuals move overseas.
It doesn’t alter the fact that the U.K. is in a great time zone for business; has a good education system/ good workforce; temperate climate; few natural disasters and of course people speak English.
These basic but important fundamentals bring businesses back here and ensure we stay relevant.

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 10:02

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 02/07/2025 09:59

Same, like they're just parroting each other
Free Gear Kier
Two Tier Kier
Starmer Harmer
Who works for Liebour (which just looks utterly ridiculous and as you say says a lot more about the posters)
Have I missed any?
😁

People do it for other parties and politicians on here. You only get mn posts re Labour like this one.

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 10:02

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:00

You are going to be waiting a very very long time if you think this has anything to do with ‘Tory misrule’

Honestly I question the IQ levels of this country. Such a lazy grasp of the fundamental basics of an our country’s economics is why we are here today. People thought they were voting for change, even at the time it was wishful thinking at best.

Well 50% of the population is thicker than average.

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 10:01

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 10:00

Angela Rayner worked as a carer.

The world would be a better place if she were still working as a carer.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 10:00

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 09:57

Agree too.

You are going to be waiting a very very long time if you think this has anything to do with ‘Tory misrule’

Honestly I question the IQ levels of this country. Such a lazy grasp of the fundamental basics of an our country’s economics is why we are here today. People thought they were voting for change, even at the time it was wishful thinking at best.

RosesAndHellebores · 02/07/2025 10:00

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/07/2025 09:50

I don't think many of us believed that Labour would be a magic bullet. Many of us were politically homeless before the election and we remain so. There was never any penny to drop.

That said, many of us voted for Labour because we considered them to be the best of a bad bunch. That hasn't changed as far as I'm concerned.

There are no magic bullets. Sadly, people keep looking for them, hence the current popularity of Reform. And if people vote for them, we will all end up paying the price.

I don't disagree but past performance is always the best indicator of future performance and Labour have never performed well regarding the economy. Blair appeared to but only because of PFI and tax credits followed by Brown selling the gold which put us in a woeful position when we hit the next downward cycle in 2008. We still haven't recovered. Covid was the icing on the cake with the money printing machine in overdrive to support a wholly disproportionate extended period of lockdown.

The most sensible option at this pass is proportional representation which may bring some cross party continuity to the big issues such as the NHS.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 10:00

DorothyandtheWizard · 02/07/2025 09:36

So you start your post by saying anyone who disagrees with you is thick, basically?

Not a good argument.

There is not one member of the cabinet who has had a proper job- mostly they have spent their lives in politics, think tanks and unions.

Their inexperience of the world is the issue.

Edited

Angela Rayner worked as a carer.

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 09:59

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 09:57

Agree too.

Yes but you have to take action to change rather than announce you are going to change it, then faff around and then end of leaving it basically the same.

FreezeDriedStrawberries · 02/07/2025 09:59

ColinOfficeTrolley · 02/07/2025 06:53

I always think it's very telling when people parrot ridiculous nicknames for MPs. People who say 'Two Tier Kier' for example, sound as thick as mince.

I agree he has been a complete let down, but I would vote for the raving loony monster party before letting Reform get in.

Rather the economically illiterate, than the Tommy Robinson, protect our kids, St George's flag loving illiterate.

Same, like they're just parroting each other
Free Gear Kier
Two Tier Kier
Starmer Harmer
Who works for Liebour (which just looks utterly ridiculous and as you say says a lot more about the posters)
Have I missed any?
😁

ToWhitToWhoo · 02/07/2025 09:59

While Keir is a bit of a disappointment, the most important thing is to prevent those MONSTERS OF PURE EVIL known as Reform from getting into power.

If that means keeping Keir, so be it.

If that means getting Angela Rayner (whom I rather like, though like all Ministers, she took the wrong side on the PIP issue), so be it.

If that means getting the LibDems (whom I voted for, though the one time they got anywhere near power in 2010, they disappointed me just as much as everyone else), so be it.

If that means getting the bloody Tories back in, so be it.

If that means getting the Monster Raving Loony Party, so be it,

If that means getting a coalition between the cats and the dogs, so be it (they'd probably do better than humans have!)

ANYONE BUT REFORM!!!!!

ForWittyTealOP · 02/07/2025 09:58

AnonymousBleep · 02/07/2025 09:36

This is a massive problem for any government, though. We've got a massive elderly population sustained by a shrinking number of tax payers, with the birth rate going down so this will only decrease. Reform/Tories bang on about cutting welfare but in reality, they'd come up against the same problem. Fiddling with PIP etc is only tinkering round the edges. There isn't an obvious solution to the ticking pensions timebomb.

Agreed, and we have AI snapping at our heels too.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/07/2025 09:58

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:54

That mentality helped Labour get in.

Now they’re losing support, not so much with loyal voters on here but generally.

I don't dispute that that mentality helped Labour get in. So what?

It isn't a helpful way of doing politics. People should educate themselves about what they're voting for instead of blindly voting for change (no matter what that change might look like). Yes, all of the options are unappealing right now, but that doesn't mean that some choices aren't worse than others.

Lilactimes · 02/07/2025 09:57

KimberleyClark · 02/07/2025 09:30

And a year is not very long to undo 15 years of Tory misrule.

Agree too.

Soulfulunfurling · 02/07/2025 09:57

It’s not looking great at all. Labour are out of their depth, and they don’t have the talent or vision to do anything but flail around making u turns. I wish we could call an election. There is plenty of buyers remorse in some quarters demanding a refund.

Seymour5 · 02/07/2025 09:56

Shenmen · 02/07/2025 06:43

I haven't been impressed yet at all. However, nothing has been as bad as the last at least five years of Tory insanity so it is a marked step up from that. It's a lot of mess to unpick.

Lord help us if they don't start sorting themselves out and we end up with reform (we will then find out what incompetent looks like). I can't believe Labour didn't have a more clear coherent plan given the 100 years in the wilderness.

No other government in my lifetime (nearly 80 years) has had to deal with a pandemic and lockdown such as we went through due to Covid. Who knows if it would have been handled better by another party. The impact is still being felt by many.

I agree with the OP. Immigrant numbers travelling from France in the hope of claiming asylum have soared, and the costs are enormous. The judiciary seem to operate randomly. Lucy Connolly’s sentencing is an example. The rules brought in to help refugees after WWII are no longer relevant. The NHS is in disarray, it’s so far removed from the original inception, trying to solve societal issues on top of actual health problems, that it’s letting many seriously ill people down. There is a lack of affordable housing, little mental health support, public transport is sketchy, and after the outcry re WFA, the Labour government want to reduce disability benefits!

EasternStandard · 02/07/2025 09:54

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/07/2025 09:52

The "can't be any worse" mentality is truly dangerous. People have no idea.

That mentality helped Labour get in.

Now they’re losing support, not so much with loyal voters on here but generally.

Janiie · 02/07/2025 09:53

But but Boris had a sandwich in his office in lockdown!!! So having these clowns in constantly backtracking and making tits of themselves is apparently preferable.

We'll have Farage in next then the Labour lovers will wonder whyyyyy but Sir Keir is such a capable chap Grin

EveningSpread · 02/07/2025 09:52

The problem with the current government is it’s pushing the same economically illiterate austerity agenda as the last one. So nothing will greatly improve.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/07/2025 09:52

The "can't be any worse" mentality is truly dangerous. People have no idea.

Lioncub2020 · 02/07/2025 09:51

The only labour supporters left soon are going to be the people nannied by the state. Fortunately for them by the time of the next election there will be enough people dependant on their sweeties to keep them in power.

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